Re: (Offlist) Re: ASCII IPA

 --- Javier BF <uaxuctum@...> wrote: > >> [/(@)l/
bottLE] /(@)L/ OR /Uw/
> >> [/(@)m/ bottOM] /(@)m/
> >> [/(@)n/ lengthEN] /(@)n/
> >>
> >WHAT ABOUT /(@)N/ ?
>
> I just couldn't think of a word with it.
> Could you offer an example?
>
the -ing ending sometimes ends up like that
singing /sINN=/
going /g@UN=/ &c

>
> >> /I/ pIt /I/
> >> /e/ pEt /E/
>
> I've seen both transcriptions, and that's due simply
> to the fact that that sound in English is the same
> as
> the one in Spanish, i.e. neither cardinal [e] nor
> cardinal [E], but the sound in between. I prefer to
> transcribe it as [e] simply because I find it a bit
> closer to the one in /eI/ than to the one in /E@/.
>
probably regional. my /E/ is quite open.

>
> >> /&/ pAt /&/
> >> /A/ pOt /Q/ ( which is RP as well, /A/ is
> american )
>
> Well, until now I had no idea how to show that
> symbol
> in ASCII (sincerely, I hadn't thought of capital q
> to
> stand for what in IPA is a vowel), so I was using
> /A/
> for it, since anyway using one or the other sound is
> just a matter of dialect.
>
hmmm ! distribution changes methinks. but take your
point.

>
> >> /eI/ bay /EI/ or /&I/
>
> I've never heard them pronounced that way.
>
> >> /aI/ by /AI/ or /A:/
>
> Same.
>
> >> /@U/ nO /@U/ or /VU/
> >> /AU/ nOW /&U/ or /&:/
>
> Same.
>
> >> /aI@/ fIRE /A:@/
> >> /AU@/ OUR /&:@/
>
> Same.
>
> Those may be dialectal pronounciations, which I
> can't
> remember having heard so far. But, definitely, they
> are not the ones taught to foreigners as the
> standard
> RP English.
Well, even London RP tends to exaggerate /aI/ and /aU/
to /AI/ and /&U/ ( many German pronunciations seem to
do the opposite ), and then SE London pronunciation
levels the diphthongs ( and particularly the
triphthongs ). my accent's quite rp, and i say flower
/fl&:@/ but house /h&Us/

in essex, where vowels tend to get hightened, |my
house| is pronounced roughly /mi 'E:s/, whilst in SE
London it's nearer /mA '&:s/ or /mi '&:s/ ( depending
on whether |my| is dialectically |my| or |me| )

bn

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