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# Re: CHAT: "and" (was: Re: CHAT: Dashes)

From: claudio Monday, June 11, 2001, 11:15
```DP> In a message dated 6/10/01 6:40:21 PM, claudio.soboll@GMX.DE writes:

DP> << so is it true that "enumeration-and" is identical with "inclusive-or" ? or
DP> am i wrong ?

DP> its abit confusing to think about such basic things. >>

DP>     I think no.  That "or" implies something different.  "Do the quanta or
DP> the yeti or Santa Claus really exist?"  If the answer is "yes", the reply
DP> would be "which one(s)?".  However, if there were "and"'s in between there,
DP> you'd be implying that all three exist.
either all or one. how about some ? we cant express "some out of those" without an inclusive-or ?
inclusive-or= and/or ?

when we speak of : "all" "any" "every" "any" "some" "no"
we mix things up:

ALL  : all pieces.  determined    quantum.  (e.g. all my employees are older than 30.)
EVERY: all pieces.  approximated  quantum.  (e.g. everybody knows bill gates)
SOME1: 1 piece.     determined    quantum.  (e.g. someone stole my car today. i saw him)
ANY  : 1 piece.     approximated  quantum.  (e.g. anyone stole my car today. i dont know how much)
SOME2: some pieces. determined    quantum.  (e.g. some of my childs are older than 10)
SOME3: some pieces. approximated  quantum.  (e.g. some people in the world are rich.)
NO1  : no piece.    determined    quantum.  (e.g. noone of my family smokes)
NO2  : no piece.    approximated  quantum.  (e.g. noone works at x-mas)

pretty mingled logic. "some" is overburdened with singular and plural.
additionally we dont mention determination explicitly, which
leads to misunderstandings and wrong generalizations.
useful to create a simple universal affix for determination : "le" ?
e.g. person-le  = one certain person i know of.
e.g. person     = any single person. i dont know of.
e.g. persons-le = some certain persons i know of.
etc..

furthermore:
"or" and "and" are both seprating markers which connect somehow the
parts which are separated by them.

and1= *all* of the separated parts. bound to a pivot-verb.
and2= mere connector of speech. like commas,semicolons,fullstops. not bound to a pivot-verb
or=  *one* out of the separated parts. exclusive or.
whats missing is:
??=  *some(plural)* out of the separated parts. inclusive or. <- old story

"exclusive or"           = "chose one out ouf those parts i separate with the marker 'or'"
e.g. "whiskey or milk ?" = "chose one:  whiskey ? milk ?

regards,
c.s.
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