Re: (Brazilian Portuguese and Rhodrese (was French)

2009/1/28 Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...>

> On 2009-01-26 Edgard Bikelis wrote:
>
>> Curiously
>> those allophones of /r/ (and /l/) are used to intensify the meaning:
>> /haiva/
>> is anger, but /Raiva/ is rage; /fowgadu/ is a lazy person, but /for.gadu/
>> is
>> an unspeakable lazy one.
>>
>
> So you have
>
> 1. an /r/ which is [R] or [h]?
> 2. an /l/ which is [w] or [r]?
> 3. free allophones which are possibly splitting
>   into phonemes thru semantic differentiation?
>
> also, is /l/ ever [l]?
>
> This is so like my conlang Rhodrese were
>
> Latin
>
> R, -D-, -RR          >    _r_ /4/
>
> RR, DR, D'R N'R      >    _rr_ /R/
>
> L-, L / V__V, -LL'   >    _l_ /l/
>
> L / __(C, #)         >    _o_ /w/, /U/
>
> LJ, GL, G'L, -C'L-   >    _gl_ /L/
>
> LL, L'N, L'R, T'L, D'L >  _ll_ /r`_l/ (aka /l\`/ aka /4\`/)
>
> Thus:
>
> ILLO PEDE       >       _el pier_ /pjE4/ pl. _il pir_

pedem > pede > pere > pe:r > pier
pede:s > pere:s > pries? : )


> ILLO PATRE      >       _el piar_ (Old Rh. _paerr_) pl. _il pier_!
> LAUDARE >       _lauriar_ /l@w4'ja4
>
reminds me of 'laurear' (portuguese) from laurus, lauru:s.

>
> ROTUNDU >       _rodond_ /RU'dOnt/

how is the 'mundus' reflex? mund or mond?


>
> PETRA   >       _pierre_ /'pjERI/
> QUADRAGINTA     >       _quarrante_

your conlang seems to preserve diphthongs well, as lauriar, I guess auru >
aur?; I can only think of romance languages that changed it to [o] or [ou].
Aur is beautiful, btw... So I thought that if the second declension plural
was -ai in proto-Rhodrese ; ), it would go to -e, mixing singular and
plural... but you got the stems from the accusative, so... forget it ; )


>
> PONERE HABET    >       _porrat_ /pU'Rat/

'he must put'?


>
> ILLU BELLU      >       _el bel_
> ILLA STELLA     >       _l'estelle_
> ILLO MALO       >       _el mao_
> ILLA MALA       >       _la male_

'mae' is that illegal?


>
> ILLO STAB'LU    >       _ell estabo_
> ILLI OC'LI      >       _igl egl_

hard to say! the singular is... el ogl... de la aquile?


>
> ILLO FILIOLU    >       _el figláo_ pl. _il figléo_
> ILLA FIL[j]INA  >       _la figline_ pl. _il figlí_
> ILLO FILIO      >       _el fegl_ pl. _il figl_ "child(ren)"
>        (Old Rh. _el figl, il figl_)
>
>
Is there an excerpt with the vulgar latin to compare? I like it.

Edgard.

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