Re: Georgian consonant clusters and syllables

On Sun, 4 Jan 2004, Tim May wrote:

> Tristan McLeay wrote at 2004-01-03 22:58:43 (-0500)
>  > On Sat, 3 Jan 2004, John Cowan wrote:
>  >
>  > > R J scripsit:
>  > >
>  > > > 2. Could anyone give me some sxamples of insane consonant clusters?
>  > >
>  > > My favorite case is the two-syllable Georgian surname Mgrvgrvladje.
>  > > The maximum number of consonants at the start of an Georgian initial
>  > > syllable is eight, as in this example.
>  >
>  > Anyone know of any recordings of something like this? I have a hard time
>  > not saying [m=grv=grv=ladje] (and yes, I have the = in the right place).
>  >
> I've heard a recording of someone saying vprtskvni, and it sounds to
> me as if - phonetically - the r is syllabic and there are epenthetic
> schwas after the [k] and both [v]s.  Or maybe there's a schwa before
> the r as well, I don't know.  I can't find this online any more, but I
> can mail you the .wav file if you like.
Yes please!

> I've read that the formidable clusters in Salishan languages (like the
> Nuxalk example above) _don't_ contain epenthetics, and that these
> languages sound much more consonantal than Georgian.  I can't find any
> recordings of these, though.
If anyone else can, that would be interesting to hear.

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Tristan