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Re: Imperatives, not only negative (was: Noli-me-tangere)

From:P. M. ARKTAYG <pmva@...>
Date:Saturday, May 1, 1999, 13:10
Raymond A. Brown wrote:

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> >Interesting. What exactly do "ddim" and "mo'r" stand for? > > "ddim' /DIm/ is "dim" /dIm/ with initial 'soft mutation'. 'Dim' like the > French 'rien' (<-- Latin: 'rem') once meant 'anything' but, because of its > use in negative constructions, now means: 'nothing' or 'no' (adjective, in > the sense of German 'kein' - _not_ like German 'nein') and with verbs is > used just like 'pas' in the French 'ne....pas' construction. > > "Mo'r" stands for "mo yr" where "yr" = 'the'. > "Mo" is derived from 'ddim o' where 'o' is a preposition meaning "of" in a > strictly _partitive_ sense (can never be used to denote possession). "mo" > replaces "ddim" if the direct object is definite, e.g. > Gwelais i mo Steffan = I didn't see Steffan (literally: I saw nothing of > Stephen).
Now, I understand. Thank you. Is Welsh your native language?
> >Why the first time "phynais" and the second time "phrynais" (similarly > >"llafrau" and "llayfrau")? Has it something to do with "ddim" and "mo'r"? > > Nah - just to do with bad typing :=( > > Both should've been 'phrynais' and both should've been 'llyfrau'. Sorry!
De rien! [...] [snip - Rnihono:n imperatives]
> I like it :)
Me too. :-)
> And I seem to recall that Schleyer equipped Volapuek with three-fold > normal, polite & peremptory imperatives. This is fine in an artlang but > IMHO rather overdoing it in a conlang designed as Schleyer's was as an IAL.
Peremptory? In Rnihono:n there is something like this. I have named it "strong form". This form concerns all verbs, not only imperatives, e.g.: khi s.odho:si s.odho:si-n.a! 'we find him, no matter the cost!' As regards to an impolite form, Rniho consider as impolite if someone is not using personal suffixes, i.e.: 1. -n.a 2. -the 3.sing. -(i)l 3.pl. -(i)rra -- P. M. ARKTAYG