Re: tongue twisters

Keith Gaughan/Mark Reed wrote:


> Mark J. Reed wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 11:04:38AM -0400, Mark J. Reed wrote:
> >
> >>I was speaking Spanish this morning and wished to express the meaning of
> >>the English saying "The grass is always greener . . .".  So I said
> >>"La hierba es siempre mas verde . . .".
> >
> > BTW, that should be |más|.
> >
> >>I meant to say [la 'jE4.ba Es 'sjEm.pre mas 'bE4.de]
> >
> > Or something like that.  For some reason, |r|s confuse me; is a voiced
> > stop after them fricativized or not?  That is, should it be
> > ['jE4.ba]/['bE4.de] or ['jE4.Ba]/['bE4.De]?
>
> Don't have my grammar with me at work, but I believe it's only between
> vowels, so it'd be ['jE4.ba]/['bE4.de]. Or wait: isn't <v>/<b> always
> [B], or am I raving?
Memory is fading, but I think /d/ can be [D] after /r/; definitely [d] after
other C's and word-initial. Not sure about after /l/-- I think [d].

Similarly b/v and g: [b], [g] word-initial and post-C, [B] [G] intervocalic.
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