Re: Love Those Double Vowels (was: Diving In...)
| From: | Adam Walker <dreamertwo@...> |
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| Date: | Thursday, November 8, 2001, 10:29 |
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>From: Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
>Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:11:25 +0100
>
>En réponse à Josh Roth <Fuscian@...>:
>
> > >
> > >Exactly! 'Fleur' has /9/, the IPA oe-ligature, while 'bleu' has /2/,
> > the
> > >IPA o-
> > >slash. Still considered separate phonemes in French.
> >
> > Do you know of any minimal pairs for those?
> >
>
>There are as many minimal pairs for those as there are for English /T/
>vs. /D/ :)) . I only call them phonemes because the average French person
>(me
>included) considers them as different sounds, even though they don't serve
>to
>differentiate minimal pairs. We hear the difference, can even make up words
>with only them to differentiate them, but no actual minimal pair exists.
>
So there are several of them then. English *does* have minimal pairs for
/T/ and /D/.
Thy / thigh
Thin / then
ether / either
with her / wither
Now, admitedly, thy is archaic, the second one depends on dialect, and the
last one involves reduced speech, and even the third one probably doesn't
contrast in many dialects, but for my dialect I found 4 mp's in about 5
mins.
Adam
> >
> > I was taught to say /SsHi/. Pretty close! :-)
> >
>
>I also pronounce it like that, depending on the situation. In fact, there
>is a
>continuum between the overcorrect [Z@sHi] and the overquick [SHi] depending
>on
>speed of speech.
>
>Christophe.
>
>
http://rainbow.conlang.free.fr
>
>Take your life as a movie: do not let anybody else play the leading role.
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