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Taalen mutations

From:Aidan Grey <grey@...>
Date:Friday, October 18, 2002, 20:10
Heb y Pavel,

    (I'm taking Middle Welsh this term, can you tell? ;)

> > If soft mutation looks like this: p,t,c,b,d,g > b,d,g,m,n,ñ (or /N/); >f,/T/,/X/>v,/D/,/G/ > > And breathed like this: p,t,c,b,d,g > f,/T/,/X/,v,/D/,/G/; m>v; s>sh, >sh>h > > What would happen to l and lh (the famous welsh ll)? > > (soft - from old nasals; breathed from intervocalic position,stop >clusters, and -s) > >Hmm, if it runs like this, I find it a bit strange (especially the nT > >D part).
The /nT/ > /D/ is actually an analogical development. Originally, the fricatives did not mutate, but eventually the voicing that applied to unvoiced stops applied to unvoiced fricatives as well. "Ancient scholars" believe that it was simply voice assimilation that caused the change, so that's another thought on the matter.
>Based on the rationale alone, I'd suggest _l_ change into respectively >an unrounded [w] (what's the X-SAMPA?) and _lh_ respectively, and _lh_ >into _l_ and its own geminated form. >The Noldo in me also whispers something asbout _nl_ > _ll_ or _nn_ >(hmm... a _l_ > _nn_ mutation is piquant!)
Hmm... I don't know how to make this unrounded [w], so that's a strike against it. Also [r] vocalizes frequently [ar > aa] , and I don't want to add another liquid vocalizing (particularly because the name of the lang would become Taan or Tauren, which sound great, but just aren't *right* - I hope you understand what I mean). On the other hand, the Noldo in me likes the l>n change too, but I think levelling would return it to [l] or remove the [l] altogether. For example, _emeth_ 'shrine' < nemeton, where the [n-] was interpreted as part of the article (i, in before vowels). What I'm going to go with is this: l > soft: no change, breathed: lh lh > soft: l, breathed: no change Thanks for the help Pavel. By the way, I have an interesting idea that you might appreciate: French is, of course, the language of love, and German the language of Psychiatry. Similar categorization for other langs exist, but here's my suggestion for Welsh: it's the lang of adventure and fantasy. I mean, every significant fantasy novel with a lang is either blatantly ripped off from Welsh (Jordan's Wheel of Time series) or greatly inspired by it (Sindarin). Whaddaya think? Aidan


Pavel Iosad <pavel_iosad@...>
Aidan Grey <grey@...>Vocab exercise, year 2, #1
Aidan Grey <grey@...>
Peter Clark <peter-clark@...>Mutations in general was Re: Taalen mutations
Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Aidan Grey <grey@...>Vocab exercise - PLZ CRITIQUE!!