Re: Elves and Ill Bethisad

--- Jörg Rhiemeier <joerg_rhiemeier@...>
wrote:

> > IMO, IB has moved in so many directions
> > simultaneously that there is
> > no longer much point in speaking of it
> > "moving into a direction".
> > I regret that some people have bailed out,
> > and it's plain that some
> > cultures (like the Fortunatians) couldn't
> > possibly fit there: the
> > whole of history is inconsistent.
>
> This is part of the problem.  The history is
> *grossly* inconsistent,
It's different, I'll say that! Having Elves there
certainly won't / didn't change that.

> It also struck me that the timeline shows a
> massive shortage of
> progressive politics.
Were you under the misconception that IB was
supposed to be a utopia? I'm sure I didn't read
that in the brochure!

> There are still quasi-feudal social structures
> in Dunein;
In name, mostly. How is it different from what
exists in England?

> human sacrifices on the Arvorec islands;
Largely Christian propaganda; poorly denied by
the Natives. And - fuck - why sanitise the issue?
They AREN'T Christians! They're bloody Pagans,
and not the frufru one from column A and one from
column B New Age Paganettes you find at Ren Fests
and the like. These are blood and bones Old Time
Religionists.

> environmantalism exists mainly in the
> totalitarian, back-to-the-stone-age form
> of ecotopism, etc.
That one's too incorrect to tackle!

So, IB is largely like *here* a chaotic, at times
hectic, modern world - as it was supposed to be.
I'm not sure why that's a problem.

> > > I have gone through that hassle *twice*,
> and it ended in
> > > frustration on both sides both times.
> Costentin/Padraic seems
> > > to have disliked my "Elves" from the start,
> though Andrew
> > > welcomed them to Ill Bethisad and John
> liked them too.
> >
> > And I still do.
>
> Thank you!  But that doesn't mean that I am
> obliged to re-enter Ill Bethisad.
Rest assured! You are under no obligations, sir.

> It is still my decision which shared worlds
> I join with which contributions.  I actually
> considered re-joining
> Ill Bethisad several times, not with the Elves,
> but with Germanech,
> but that too would clash with several other
> factors.
Another fine project. Have you worked on it much?

> It is a tell-tale sign, I think, that Andrew
> Smith, who as we
> all know set the thing in motion initially, has
> withdrawn from Ill Bethisad altogether.
Um. You're a tad out of the loop, friend... By a
long shot. I know the reasons Andrew left.

> > > But as Padraic is the one where all the
> threads run together,
> >
> > Umm, I think both he and I would contest
> that!
>
> Well, at least he is running the web site,
> which gets quite close
> to a central role in the project.
Pff! I had that before you came along! It's a
clearing house, with more than 3/4 of the
material there the work of other people. Hardly a
central role for me!

I'm the librarian, not the author of the books in
the library.

> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:07:32 -0700,
> Costentin Cornomorus <elemtilas@...>
> wrote:
>
> > [...]
> >
> > > > I have gone through that hassle *twice*,
> and
> > > > it ended in
> > > > frustration on both sides both times.
> > > > Costentin/Padraic seems
> > > > to have disliked my "Elves" from the
> start,
> >
> > Sir, you may address me in the second person.
> I
> > am present, accounted for and am addressing
> you!
>
> I know!  I used the 3rd person because the 2nd
> person is rather
> ambiguous in a message broadcast to hundreds of
> people.
It is less ambiguous than the 2nd in this
instance, since thou was responding to me.

> Well, you never seemed to be very happy with
> them, judging
> from your comments back then.  And you were
> damn hard to deal with.
I can't comment there - this is surely your own
understanding!

> > > > But as Padraic is the one where all the
> > > > threads run together
> > >
> > > Umm, I think both he and I would contest
> that!
> >
> > Certainly. I have relatively little to do
> with
> > IB. I just make sure the fire is stoked and
> > the web page is updated.
>
> Well, that is quite much.  You keep the web
> site, and in a way, you are thus in control
> what is "canonical" in IB.
Thank you, but you make my Sugarloaf into a
McKinley.

> (BTW: Mindon Gwar is still on your map
> of Kemr.
I like the sound of it.

> > > Andrew and I came up with the idea of
> starting
> > > Ill Bethisad all over again,
> >
> > Curiouser and curiouser. Extremely curious,
> in
> > fact...
> >
> > > a project that later received the name
> > > "Dragon & Star" after the heraldic devices
> of >
> > Kemr and the Elves. However, Dragon & Star
> has >
> > seen little work by either Andrew or me so
> far.
> >
> > Hm. Shame.
>
> It seems to please you that Dragon & Star
> hasn't made
> substantial progress yet, and your comments
> seem to
> imply that you take the mere existence of D&S
> as an offence.
Ah, thou are unchanging, my friend!

Padraic.


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