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Re: CHAT: Hello

From:Roger Mills <romilly@...>
Date:Friday, August 2, 2002, 16:59
Wesley Parish wrote:

>On Fri, 02 Aug 2002 23:57, Daniel Andreasson Vpc wrote: >> wes parish wrote: >> > |rr| is pronounced like |r| in |Rio de Janeiro|, only voiced) >> >> Hm. I was under the impression that the |r| in "Rio" was >> pronounced [h], but you mean it's actually [r_0] (that is, voiceless >> trilled r)? >> >> So your |rr| is a voiced voiceless /r/? > >Droll! ;) No, I probably shouldn't've used that comparison. My |rr| is
>for a voiced trill at-the-back-of-the-throat using the-back-of-the-tongue - >which is where I've always heard |r| of |rio| in Brazilian Portuguese as >being, kind of like the sound of |ch| in |achtung baby!| - though I could
>wrong. In fact, I probably am wrong ... ;) >
No, you are right. It's a voiceless velar fricative (maybe uvular), with LOTS of friction!! Not a trill in my limited experience. Considerably lengthened for initial /r/ and /rr/, less so for /-r-/. I stayed in the Hotel Serrador (trills in my Hispano-Portuguese), and taxi drivers would reply "Ah, [oteu sex:adox]". Another hotel couldn't find my reservation, until we scanned the list and saw "Sr. Mius". Brazilian Port. is almost as much fun to speak as Italian.


Gustavo Eulalio <guga@...>