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Re: YADPT (D=Dutch)

From:Andreas Johansson <andjo@...>
Date:Sunday, November 9, 2003, 15:11
Quoting Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>:

> En réponse à Jan van Steenbergen : > > > >No no, it is [e:n] and [tve:]. > > I rarely hear [tve:] (and being fond of the cluster voiceless consonant+[v] > so common in Esperanto, I know what I'm talking about :)) ). It's usually > [twe:] (especially in Flanders) or [tv\e:], even from people who claim that > they pronounce a pure [v]. The difference is quite striking :)) .
Doesn't [tv_0e:] occur? I seem to recall that at least some varieties of Low German has _twee_ [tv_0eI], but I may be wrong. In my book, [tv] and [tv\] are both abominable clusters, but then I've heard the Dutch consistently voice their voiced stops, so what can you expect? :) Andreas

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Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...>
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