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Re: abugida vs abjad vs alphabet vs syllabary

From:Raymond Brown <ray.brown@...>
Date:Saturday, May 25, 2002, 17:26
At 9:25 am +0400 25/5/02, Pavel Iosad wrote:
>Hello, > >> The letters of an abugida represent syllables in which a consonant is >> followed by a fixed vowel, called the implicit vowel. Thus if /a/ >> is the implicit vowel, there will be letters for /ka/, /ta/, /la/, >> etc. > >Which essentially makes the Quenya mode of the_tengwar_ a partial >example. Am I right? >
But the Tengwar don't have an implicit vowel, do they? There seem to me rather an abjad but, unusually for an abjad, vowels are always made explicit. I would be interested to read what John has to say on the matter. Another thing I've wondered is whether "Dirk's syllabary" is really a syllabary or an abugida or a 'modified abjad'. Like an abugida, the characters do contain an implicit vowel, what Dirk called the "resting vowel", but unlike standard abigidas, this resting vowel is not the same for all consonants; there is a difference between 'high vowel' syllabics and 'low vowel' syllabics, thus: High vowel Low vowel p = [p1] b = [pa] t = [t1] d = [ta] c = [c1] j = [ca] k = [k1] g = [ka] f = [f1] v = [fa] s = [s1] z = [sa] x = [x1] h = [xa] m = [m1] - n = [n1] - q = [N1] - - r = [ra] - l = [la] The implicit resting vowel is the one pronounced if no other indication is given, e.g. pghn = [p1kaxan1] rgt = [rakat1] Besides these abugida-like symbols, there are five true syllabics, namely: u = [(w)u] w = [wo] i = [(j)i] y = [je] - a = [a] The semivocalic glides are optional before the high vowels. Now the rules is that syllables following {u} or {o} take high or low back rounded vowels, instead of the resting vowel, and following a {i} or {e} they become front unrounded, e.g. wny = [wonufo] upxz = [(w)upuxuso] wnvypg = [wonufoyepike] As, in fact, the consonants listed above can be followed by one of three vowels which is determined by context and, therefore, need not be written (indeed, must not be written), should we say they have the nature of an abjad? But just to add to the fun, there are two characters that are _silent_, namely {e} and {o} which merely induce fronting or rounding respectively in the syllables that follow then, e.g. epgr = [pikere] oklqejfs = [kuloNucefisi] As I am contemplating something for BrScB, I would be interested to know how John categorizes such a system. Ray. ======================================================= Speech is _poiesis_ and human linguistic articulation is centrally creative. GEORGE STEINER. =======================================================

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Pavel Iosad <pavel_iosad@...>
John Cowan <jcowan@...>
Raymond Brown <ray.brown@...>