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Re: /k/ in i.t.a.

From:Jean-François Colson <fa597525@...>
Date:Wednesday, November 10, 2004, 9:40
On Tuesday, November 09, 2004 7:56 AM, Ray Brown wrote:

> On Monday, November 8, 2004, at 01:57 , Muke Tever wrote: > > > On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:09:55 +0100, Jean-François Colson <fa597525@SKYNET. > > BE> wrote: > >> Hi all > >> > >> I see that in Pitman Initial Teaching Alphabet, which is a phonemic > >> alphabet, > > Not phonemic in the strict sense. See below.
I hadn't read all the available documentation, but yall're right: that's not a two-way phonemic alphabet. In fact I was making a Keyman virtual keyboard for the QuickScript alphabet and I took the same scheme for a few other phonemic alphabets. So my question was: "Do some dialects make a slight phoneTic distinction between the /k/ of cat and the /k/ of key?"
> > >> different characters > >> are used for the c of cat and the k of key. > >> Is there any difference between those characters? > > Nope - both denote /k/. > > >> If not, how are they used? > > |c| is used where /k/ is spelled |c| in the traditional spelling and |k| > is used where traditional spelling has |k| :)
Of course. And which spelling is used when /k/ is spelt |qu|?
> > > It is likely that the system is not two-way phonemic (i.e., one grapheme > > per sound and one sound per grapheme) but just one-way phonemic (one sound > > per letter). > > Spot on! > > > This is sensible for an alphabet that is used to teach people > > to read. > > Yes, the system was not developed as "yet another reformed English > spelling", otherwise some things would surely have been done differently. > It was as strictly an _initial teaching alphabet_ in order to ease the > transition into the more difficult un-phonemic traditional spelling. > > > Notice also that the sound /z/ is spelled two different ways, > > with a regular "z" for /z/ spelled "z" and with a reversed "z" (or, if you > > like, an "s" with sharp corners) for /z/ spelled "s".
That one is somewhat similar to the TENGWAR SIGN LEFT FOLLOWING SILME.
> > Quite so. > > > (Indeed, on the ITA webpage under "what is ITA" it says "The alphabet > > adheres closely to traditional orthography. The symbols are lowercase. > > Certain conventional English spellings have been retained such as the c > > and k, which have the same sound.)
OK. I "forgot" to read that before posting.
> > Yep. It was very much in vogue some in IIRC the 1970s & possibly 80s. But > it seems to have fallen out of favor. I think it was found that it > actually confused some kids as the transition got made rather than helped > them.
IIRC I read it has been experienced during the 60's. JF


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