Re: Nostratic (was Re: Schwebeablaut (was Re: tolkien?))

Rob Haden wrote:

>On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:08:14 +0100, =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rg?= Rhiemeier
><joerg_rhiemeier@...> wrote:
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>>I think that Kartvelian is not as close to IE as is Uralic,
>>and some of the similarities between IE and Kartvelian
>>are due to contact.
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>Certainly Kartvelian is not as closely related to IE as "Uralic" is.
>However, as I said before, linguists currently believe that Kartvelian
>originated from northeastern Anatolia.  If IE originated from north(-east)
>of the Black Sea, it is doubtful that there were any meaningful contacts.
>There does seem to be evidence of contact with Hurro-Urartian, since both
>it and Kartvelian share and adjectival suffix in -Vli.  I'm not sure about
>other evidence, to be honest.  (Of course, a lambdaic adjectival suffix
>also exists in certain branches of IE, e.g. Latin.)  Also, Kartvelian seems
>to have had close contacts with the other Caucasian language groups, due to
>its large number of articulatory contrasts.  Some contact with Semitic
>could justify this as well.
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>>No.  If PIE comes from Anatolia, one needs some *very* complex
>>migration patterns to explain the similarities between IE and Uralic.
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>I completely agree!  I honestly can't see how anyone can claim that PIE
>came from Anatolia.
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Um...I hate to poke my nose in to things I don't really know about, you
mean "I honestly can't see how anyone can claim that PIE came from
Anatolia and be related to Uralic".  Just a point.