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Re: OT: Detecting Language/Dielect Spoken

From:Michael Adams <abrigon@...>
Date:Monday, June 19, 2006, 10:11
So how to use this difference to detect who is not Iraqis? Since
most insuregent are not Iraqi by Iranians, Syrians, form the UAE
and Egypt?

Something simple, so the common soldier can do something to
tell? I know from my own experiances, if you have been around
one speaker groups of a language, you can often tell those who
are not of that group, even if you do not speak the language..

It is like how with a little help, but I can tell the difference
between people who speak Hebrew and those who speak Arabic. Or
so it seemed. But also can hear someone speaking US English in a
crowd of non-English speakers, or even people who speak English
but not US English (Canadians included).

Much like being in a dark room and you can see light alot
further than when in a grey room, or you hear that car 10 miles
away back fire, cause you are in the woods and do not hear alot
of cars, so the sound is alien or different.

So how to set up a system of ways to detect those who are not
natural Iraqi arabic speakers, or who did not speak Kurd or like
as well?

Such as teaching those who do check points, how a native speaker
sounds vs one from outside of Iraq?
Phone and like to Echelon, digital.
As well as a computerized system, at check points that can help
detect those who are not speaking native Iraqi arabic?

After all, how many sounds is there in Iraqi Arabic?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Bleackley" <Peter.Bleackley@...>
To: <CONLANG@...>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: OT: Detecting Language/Dielect Spoken

> staving Michael Adams: > >Sort of had an idea, not really a Conlang, but close. > > > >How hard would it be to do a auditory sensor network or just
> >points, at say check points in Iraq, as well as on phone
lines (no legel
> >protection there for listening in) to do a computer annalysis
of someone
> >speaking to detect they are not from Iraq or not likely from
> > I've heard from a bilingual speaker (British-born Iraqi) that
the Iraqi
> dialect of Arabic is quite distinctive. I went to my friend's
> wedding, which took place at the bride's parents' home. I sat
in on the
> male part of the ceremony, which consisted of the sheik
reading out prayers
> in Arabic, to which the groom and the bride's father made the
> responses. (Meanwhile, my wife was in the female part of the
ceremony, with
> the bride, in a different room. This involved a lot of
ululating and
> throwing sweets, and sounded like a lot more fun). Not
speaking any Arabic,
> I couldn't follow what was going on very well, although I did
catch a
> reference to "Sharia", and the word "Amen". However, I heard
from another
> guest that even the Arabic speakers present had had a hard
time following
> it, as the sheik had perfomed the service in Modern Standard
Arabic, and
> most of them were Iraqi Arabic speakers. > > > >Is there such things are "Marker" sounds and words and like
that can be
> >listened for, that woule show that someone is not local? > > > > I believe that the technical term for this is a "Shibboleth". > > Pete