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Re: Gz^rod|in (Grammar : adjectives & misc)

From:Adrian Morgan <morg0072@...>
Date:Thursday, March 16, 2000, 1:28
Christophe Grandsire wrote, quoting myself:

> >There is a form of an adjective (the relevant > >suffix is -l or -ll) that means that the item > >gained the adjective as a consequence of the > >main verb. For example the word 'g^nenyaral' > >means, (adj) "that ceased to be the object of > >desire because of the event this sentence > >describes". I want to know what a good name for > >this form would be. In my notes I call it the > >"byverbial" form of an adjective because it > >is attributed _by_ the _verb_. > > Quite an idea! I don't know if I ever saw that > in any natlang (or any other conlang that I > know of) but I like the idea. As for a good > name, I think yours is already nice. But let > me think: an adjective representing the final > state of an item due to the action represented > by the verb... a verbo-consecutive adjective? > Nah, doesn't work right...
Well, seeing as most word forms are named in Latin, I was hoping that someone who knew a little Latin could suggest something. _byverbial_ bugs me because of the English word _by_. I'm still thinking it may be best to drop the en- prefix on byverbial adjectives derived from verbs and to maintain the rule against byverbials of adjectives meaning 'to be the subject of <verb>'. This would change _enyaral_ to _yaral_, etc. However, what about negatives? I'm thinking that the en- might be retained when the negative is formed, so that _yaral_ and _g^nenyaral_ would be opposites. Anyway, enough musings. It was a long day yesterday partly because the Flinders University email proxy crashed and partly because I went out for tea on account of my parents having got back from an overseas holiday. So I'm still a little tired, and I'd like to wait until tomorrow before putting forward the next segment of my language for review. Adrian. --