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Re: The Birds and the Bees of Gender

From:Nik Taylor <fortytwo@...>
Date:Tuesday, March 30, 1999, 8:04
Christophe Grandsire wrote:
> Everybody knows with the number that there are several objects...
And you can even have two or three redundancies, "Those 3 cats were eating their dinner"; plural marked by "those" (instead of "this"), "3", "-s", "were" (not "was"), and "their" (not "his" or "her"), and in a language with agreement, you can have further redundancies "Esos tres gatos gordos y feos comi'an la cena de ellos" (Those three fat and ugly cats were eating their dinner). However, I think that English MAY lose that. In my dialect, the plural -s is dropped on a few nouns with numbers, such as "fitty cent" /fIri sInt/ for "fifty cents". Granted, one never refers to "cents" without SOME kind of number, either an actual numeral or a word like "a few", so perhaps it's just a word like "sheep" with the same form in the singular and the plural. I can see that generalizing to all nouns. Some langs do that, Turkish, for instance, drops the plural suffix with numbers. I suspec the reason that English marks number, even with numerals, is that they once were fused with case, so that one would choose -e instead of -um (singular dative vs. plural dative). There WAS no plural suffix to drop, so you couldn't use the singular form. However, in modern English, -s has become just a plural suffix, instead of an accusative/nominative plural suffix, thus it's logical to drop it when number is already marked. -- "It's bad manners to talk about ropes in the house of a man whose father was hanged." - Irish proverb http://members.tripod.com/~Nik_Taylor/X-Files http://members.tripod.com/~Nik_Taylor/Books.html ICQ: 18656696 AIM Screen-name: NikTailor