Re: fortis vs lenis (was Re: German style orthography)

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:37:58 +0100, Andreas Johansson <andjo@...> wrote:

>Quoting "J. 'Mach' Wust" <j_mach_wust@...>:
>
>> On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 11:20:13 +0000, Ray Brown <ray.brown@...> wrote:
>>
>> >FORTIS - consonant sound made with a relatively strong degree of
>> >muscular effort and breath force.
>> >LENIS - consonant sound made with relatively weak degree of muscular
>> >effort and breath force.
>>
>> That's one use of the two terms. For what I know, phoneticians haven't
>> been able to verify this distinction, so we must consider it
>> hypothetical.
>
>Even if you doesn't believe in its phonemicity, surely you must be able to
>feel different levels of muscular tension in your speech organs as well
>different amounts of breath force?
Feeling? I feel them when I intentionally articulate them, producing
artificially emphatic sounds. But I think in natural emphasizing, there are
other things working. I'm suspicious of introspection. It's hard to tell
apart what you perceive from what you think you perceive from what you
expect to perceive.

gry@s:
j. 'mach' wust