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Re: Reflexive & Reciprocal Marked on the Verb

From:Herman Miller <hmiller@...>
Date:Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 4:15
Eldin Raigmore wrote:
> I am collaborating on an agglutinating conlang with polypersonal agreement > (verbs agree with their Subject; with their Primary-or-Direct Object if there is > one; and sometimes with their Secondary-or-Indirect Object if there is one.) > > In this 'lang the verb's agreement-markers indicate the semantic role of the > Subject and the Direct Object. > > One thing it can indicate is that the Subject, and/or the Object, is both the > Agent and the Patient of the clause. > > Thus, if the clause is reflexive or reciprocal, no additional marking is needed to > establish that it must be EITHER reflexive OR reciprocal. > > However, this system can't tell "reflexive" apart from "reciprocal". > > That is, "Jack and Jill (each) kissed themselves" and "Jack and Jill kissed each > other" have the same agreement-markers on the verb. > > How do your 'langs (whether nat- or con-) handle this? > Do they just not distinguish "reflexive" from "reciprocal"? > Do they distinguish it by marking the verb with, say, a "voice" > or "version" of "reflexive" or "reciprocal" (not the same)? > Or do they mark the difference elsewhere in the clause, say by either a > reflexive pronoun or a reciprocal pronoun or both?
Tirelat: "Each other" is expressed by a comitative particle. "Themselves" is expressed with a prefix on the verb. su Żak kë Żil vyċimamin "Jack and Jill kissed each other" (inferential) su Żak kë Żil vy- ċima-mi-n NOM Jack COM Jill 3pl.NOM-kiss-IP-PF (Lit. "Jack kissed with Jill.") NOM = nominative COM = comitative IP = inferential past PF = perfective su Żak žu Żil vysċimamin "Jack and Jill (each) kissed themselves" su Żak žu Żil vy- s- ċima-mi-n NOM Jack and Jill 3pl.NOM-REFL-kiss-IP-PF REFL = reflexive