Re: New Brithenig words, part Deux.

On Fri, 25 May 2001, Dan Jones wrote:

>andrew yscrifef:
>
>> > hog, porch < porcus
>>
>> Yes.
>
>*Please* can we have ill porch -> llo phyrch? Just a few irregular nouns
>would make Brithenig more interesting.
This is certainly an old argument. I'd certainly like to see irregular
forms all over the place; but the regularity of the nouns at least was
established some years ago. A few irregular verbs have appeared since
I started with Brithenig, though. Perhaps some irregular nounds will
yet be coaxed out.

>
>Arvorec has porc'hyl for "piget", from the Latin porcellus and torc'h, as
>"pig" from the Gaulish *torcos, plural týrc'h. The female is moc'h
Kerno has il porcs (s); and y phorcces / y phyrch (pl) and il/la
muccus / y mhuck. The former usually means "pork / pig meat"; the
latter is reserved for living animals. Il wercos (from Spanish)  is
cooked pork. Torcos doesn't survive natively; though il torx lor Ysles
is a name for (what is perceived locally) as an exotic For'n dish from
the Channel Islands.

>
>> > snail, cogle < cochlea
>>
>> This one proved to be quite a battle.  It seems that cochlea dropped out
>> of Vulgar Latin and in France and Iberia was replaced by *caracol
>> borrowed from Arabic *karkara.  It even effects [escargot].  I looked at
>> Brythonic but can find no immediate etymology for [malwen].  For now I
>> would suggest *caragol.
>
>Hmm. Old French didn't have "escargot", it had limaçon, augmentive of VL
>"limacea", CL limax. That'd be Brithenig llefag' or llefagen. That's what
>I've used for Jelbäzech, limäch. The Arvorec for snail is malwon, slug is
>levaec.
>
>> > sheep, mollon < Celt. molton-
>
>Arvorec "molthon".
Kerno has l'aino, l'ows and il moulto (y h-ainnes, y h-owthes and y
mhoulten in plural). These all refer to living animals; meat is
il moutons.

>Y-dhebyr an volthon malwonyon, ac an torc'h a-dhebyr an levaegaw, bytegent
>y-dhebyr an den an týrc'h ac an molthonot!
Bloody Deukalion's Ark and no mistake! I got the sheep and the pig and
the snail and the slug; but the rest is a bit vague...

Padraic.

>Dan

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