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Re: Disgusting thread... ;-)

From:Pascal A. Kramm <pkramm@...>
Date:Friday, November 12, 2004, 21:56
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 19:33:51 +0000, Jan van Steenbergen
<ijzeren_jan@...> wrote:

> --- Pascal A. Kramm skrzypszy: > >> >I should probably add that I live in the Netherlands, too. In the >> >town of Zaandam, to be precise. >> >> Doesn't say me anything... could you name any major town that's >> close to it? (Eindhoven, Venlo, Nijmegen ...) > >Amsterdam. Zaandam is immediately Northwest of Amsterdam.
Ah. Now that's clear enough.
>> >I sort of knew that; actually, I was wondering about the city. I'm >> >a regular guest in the Ruhrgebiet myself, because my mother-in-law >> >lives in Essen. >> >> That's just a cat jump from where I live, Dortmund. > >Indeed. As a matter of fact, I have some very close friends in >Dortmund whom I always visit when in Germany. Next time I'll go there >I'll let you know.
Sure, why not.
> --- Philip Newton skrzypszy: > >> > That with the y being vowel was clear, but there are still two >> > very nasty consonant clusters left: "skrz" and "psz". >> >> Wenedyk uses Polish spelling, basically, where |rz| and |sz| are >> digraphs for /Z/ and /S/, respectively. With devoicing after >> unvoiced stops, I'd say that those two are /skS/ and /pS/, >> respectively, which are not quite as daunting IMO -- the second >> even occurs in German, e.g. in "grapschen" or (for me, at least) >> "hübsch". > >Hole in one, again! All I can add is that |skrz|, normally indeed >pronounced /skS/, in some (particularly southern) dialects sounds >rather like /SkS/.
Inside of a word (between vowels), that wouldn't be too hard, but at the beginning of a word it only makes a knot into my tongue... -- Pascal A. Kramm, author of Choton official Choton homepage: