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Re: OT: Musical languistics

From:Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Date:Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 9:05
En réponse à Sally Caves :

>I can relate somewhat to this. I guess my need for music to have a strong >rhythmic undercurrent is so that I can dance, shake my fists in the air, nod >my head vigorously, sing out against it! I also need for it to be boldly >original, though, to take some aural risks, which defeats gimmickry. As for >conceptual art, I've always hated the "rooms full of dirt" (sort of like the >pings and silence that I wrote about in a previous post). I went to the >L.A. County Art Museum (the one with the treacherous tarpits!) when I was >seventeen, along with our art history class. There was a big room full of >dirt. It was called "room full of dirt." When I scoffed at it, I was told >loftily that this was "conceptual art." It was "intellectual." Did I only >like "pretty" art? I feel same way about art as I do about music. My >eyeballs have to fall out of my head. The art can't just BE in my head.
I still remember when I visited the Stedelijk Museum in Amsterdam (museum of Modern Art) with my partner. Some things I liked, some not, but I always recognised that it was works of art, even when I didn't like it. But close to the end of the visit, I saw a ladder, a chair, and a bucket with a broom in it, just put there on a corner of the corridor. And I said to Jan: "Nice museum, but the cleansing department could have at least taken back their things!". Jan reacted quite surprised, and pointed out the little plate on the wall indicating that it was a work of art!!! I then argued with him that it was *not* art, because otherwise I wouldn't have mistaken it for the cleansing department's material (he said that because *I* mistook it, it was not enough not to call it art. I replied that if a single person, who is otherwise very artistically inclined as myself and certainly not a classicist, fails to recognise that a piece is a work of art - and not just not like it, no, really not see it was meant to be art at all! -, then it's not a piece of art). You needn't put a big "ART" on things so that they really become art, but art can't just be in your head, as you said very well. Art has to "speak", if only to say "Hi! I'm art". It doesn't mean I have to like it. But if I just fail to recognise something as a piece of art, then I can safely say that it's not art. It's not just a matter of opinion here. Christophe Grandsire. http://rainbow.conlang.free.fr You need a straight mind to invent a twisted conlang.

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