Theiling Online    Sitemap    Conlang Mailing List HQ    Attic   

Re: French

From:Axiem <axiem@...>
Date:Wednesday, October 27, 1999, 0:55
> > > , based on a shaky memory that the Antoinette jussive ("let them ea=
> > > cake") was done with the subjunctive (in this case, "soit"). But I=
> > > not 100% sure of it, which is why I'm posting it generally.... > > > > > > > IIRC, subjunctive only appears in written French, not spoken (except > > quoting)..but then, this was some 500? years ago, so I'm sure the lan=
guage has
> > changed.. > > > > > > And actually, I would say 'Votre langue peut aller ici' (your languag=
e can go
> > here) or 'Votre langue peut e^tre ici' (Your language can be here) > > > > I would say > > Votre langue devait =EAtre ici > Your language should be here > > or > > Votre langue pouvait =EAtre ici > Your language could be here >
Both of those sound good...the second one (pouvait e^tre) sounds better, = tho, IMO
> <looks to native French-speakers for approval>Come on guys, I know > there's more than one of you out there, why aren't you helping us > beginners out here? >
Yeah, native French speakers! People like me who just recently learned th= e plusqueparfait without really reviewing the imparfait!
> And by the way, I never learned that the subjunctive was only used in > the written language. They make us practice all the time, things like, > "Je veux que tu m'attendes", or is that wrong/not done? >
Well, my handy-dandy book '501 French Verbs' (which BTW, is quite useful)= says, IIRC (since the thing is in my locker at school :/) says French has 14 tenses,= 7 simple, 7 compound..the tenses are (IIRC) simple, passe compose, conditional, con= dtional past, futur, future perfect, past simple, (I forget), imparfait, plusquep= arfait, subjenctive, subjunctive past, and something with futur anterier or somet= hing...of those, the only ones in school we've actually learned is present and pass= e compose...and our teacher more or less taught us conditional, imparfait, = and futur of avoir (to have), and then taught us how to make plusqueparfait, future= perfect, and conditional past out of for all the other tenses (and vario= us other things), i rely on '501 French Verbs' and it says that subjunctive, passe= simple, and the other one (plus the compound tenses formed from them) aren't real= ly used in conversational French, only in writing (and also that they're going out o= f style in writing), so I'm taking all this from a reference book on French that I h= aven't looked at in a while...I may be wrong
> > > > Though I find the hardest thing about this shirt idea is that 'Your l=
> > goes here' is an idiom meaning along the lines of 'There is the possi=
bility of
> > your language existing in this place' or 'Your language can/could exi=
> > here' not a very easy thing to translate.. > > I agree. Although it's good in a way because different languages can > vary it depending on their idiom structure. >
True, and really, this in a way is an interesting way to compare language= s..though really, what someone should do is come up with some maybe, 20 sentances t= hat show different things like verb tenses, possesives, use to compare how= langs do things, along with several idiomatic expression ideas to be translated (s= ince after all, it's not the words that are being translated, but what the words mea= n)...and a list like that might help newer conlangers (such as myself) figure out se= veral finer points of their conlang(s), and also provide a nice base for comparing di= fferent languages (wait, didn't I already say that?) uhh..yeah, that's it...t= hat's all for right now.. -Axiem