Re: How to Make Chicken Cacciatore (was: phonetics by guesswork)

--- Tristan Mc Leay <kesuari@...> wrote:
> Paul Bennett wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:03:58 -0400, J. 'Mach' Wust
> > <j_mach_wust@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Regarding SAMPA (or CXS or X-SAMPA): I always
> confuse the digits used
> >> for
> >> the representation of sounds, mainly '2' and '9'
> which I use most. Has
> >> anybody already suggested the use of e\ and E\?
> >
>
> Learn French. I believe it has [2] for _deux_ and
> [9] for _neuf_.
> Alternatively, [2] is the secondary second cardinal
> vowel. Or going
> anticlockwise (which seems to be the normal way,
> starting at [i]), you
> come to [2] before [9], and 2 is lower than 9.
>
The numerous discussions about the real phonetic
values of such or such code seem to prove that X-Sampa
or others are very difficult to master. I have exactly
the same problem when I see codes like "2" or "9": I
have nothing against them, if they can be of any help,
but where can I find a simple descriptions of all
these codes that would say, for ex:
- 2 is "eu" like in French "deux"
- %, or whatever, is "ä" like in Swedish "Gävle"
- etc, etc (with different examples from different
languages for each sound, if possible)

Trying to explain me the value of these codes in terms
of uvulo-trilabio-epiglottal metafricative trills (or
even secundary secund cardinal vowels) will be of
absolutely no help to me, and to many other people I
guess. I'm not against mutual intercomprehension, on
the contrary, but things have to be simple and
practical, otherwise I won't join the club. And I'm
looking for fair approximations, and don't really care
whether in the deepest of Brandenburg, or Iowa, or
Auvergne, there are some people who use to open a
little more their mouth when saying "2" or point their
tongues 2 mm further out, even if that's a perfectly
respectable point of view.



=====
Philippe Caquant

"High thoughts must have high language." (Aristophanes, Frogs)


	
		
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