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Re: How to Make Chicken Cacciatore (was: phonetics by guesswork)

From:J. 'Mach' Wust <j_mach_wust@...>
Date:Wednesday, July 21, 2004, 8:08
On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:16:16 +1000, Tristan Mc Leay <kesuari@...>
wrote:
>Paul Bennett wrote: >> J. 'Mach' Wust [snip] wrote: >>> Regarding SAMPA (or CXS or X-SAMPA): I always confuse the digits used >>> for the representation of sounds, mainly '2' and '9' which I use most. >>> Has anybody already suggested the use of e\ and E\? > >Learn French. I believe it has [2] for _deux_ and [9] for _neuf_.
How could I not see it? That's really helpful, thanks!
>Alternatively, [2] is the secondary second cardinal vowel. Or going >anticlockwise (which seems to be the normal way, starting at [i]), you >come to [2] before [9], and 2 is lower than 9.
That's also helpful: If I associate _i_ to _1_, then it's almost as easy as 1, 2, 3. Thanks for your memorizing helps; that was just what I needed.
>> I've seen /E\/ used for the vowel between /e/ and /E/, likewise /O\/ for >> the vowel between /o/ and /O/, and /A\/ for the vowel between /a/ and >> /A/, that is a tense /6/. I'm not sure how standardised this is, but >> I've seen it in more than one place. > >Hmm, I've never seen that (but maybe I was asleep). It seems odd, unless >some language in question distinguishes /e/ from /E/ from something in >between, because if you've only got one mid vowel, you generally use /e/.
If you want to represent an intermediate vowel between those two, you can manage with "_r" and "_o". My suggestion of _e\, E\_ instead of _2, 9_ was rather in analogy to the suggestion of _&_ instead of _{_: they result much more practical to me. But now, I've less troubles with _2, 9_. g_0ry@_^s: j. 'mach' wust