Re: How to Make Chicken Cacciatore (was: phonetics by guesswork)

--- Trebor Jung <treborjung@...> wrote:
>
> ??? I do not understand this. I'm not sure how to
> pronounce French <oei> -
> don't think I've seen a French word with that
> trigraph. Or maybeI have? My
> mind is probably asleep - it's the summer
> holidays... ;)
Well, then let's say like in French "seuil",
"écureuil", "chevreuil", "deuil", 'Auteuil",
"fauteuil" or "cerfeuil". But I assure you that "oeil"
is perfectly French (=eye, Auge). Unfortunately, the
secund sound I referred to (the way I hear it when
uttered by German people) seems to have no
correspondance in French nor in any other language I
might have studied. I don't know what it could be in
X-Sampa neither, and more, I'm not quite sure that
X-Sampa will make a difference between both
pronunciations (if somebody knows about that, I'll be
pleased to learn it).

I guess X-Sampa uses discrete codes (just like the
letters used in French or German are discrete values).
But pronunciation just isn't discrete at all, it is a
continuum. How could X-Sampa handle this ? We might
rather use a system like the RGB for the colours on
computers (something like #2277FF, but with more than
3 axes). But anyway, to me, as long as you haven't
heard a sound, and more, heard it pronounced by
different native locutors, this is all theory and
"Luft".

So please, please, learn French, and stop closing your
mind to education ;-)

> And telling me 'oei is pronounced like X letter or
> letter combination in X
> word in X language' is not going to help - see my
> previous posts.
>
> So please, please, please, learn X-Sampa!!! Or learn
> what 'voiceless velar
> fricative' (and the like) means!!!
=====
Philippe Caquant

"High thoughts must have high language." (Aristophanes, Frogs)

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