Re: Case's Name

David J. Peterson wrote:

>Max wrote:
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>For Vbazi, to find a way to express meanings like "orange juice",  "milk
>coffee", or "apple pie", I've invented a preposition that is a
>"preposition of composition" that works like "juice PREP orange" and
>"coffee PREP milk".
> >>
>
>You realize you have three different types of relations there:
>
>(1) orange juice is juice comprised entirely of oranges
There may be water in what is call "orange juice" so it is not necessarily
100% made of orange

>(2) milk coffee is coffee with milk added
>(2) apple pie is something that prominently features (but does not
>entirely
>consist of) apples
>
Well, the three nouns do contain the other noun so there is still a link.

The only difference between (1) and (3) is the proportion of the product Y
there is in the product X and the only difference between (2) and (3) is the
moment the contain Y has been added to X, before or after the heating. These
kind of distinction of proportion or of moment of the adding isn't necessary
to understand the meaning.

>I think it would be strange to have one preposition to do all three
>of these.  If you flip it and make "juice orange" and "pie apple", then
>you'd get something very much like French à, wouldn't you?
>
I guess it has influenced me... That's the better reason to find another
way.

>Anyway, for (1), I'd call that case the comprisative (I actually use
>that case in Zhyler), where X is comprised entirely of Y (well, I
>guess you'd have to switch the arguments).
>
>For (2), you could just use an instrumental, or something.
>
>For (3), you could use a comprisative, or an instrumental.
>
>For all three...?  I'd be very curious to know.
>
I don't find it so weird since they all concern composition, and it's not so
similar to french "à" since I'd not use the same preposition than for all
the French uses of "à"...

But thank you for your advise, it gave me the idea of including a proportion
distinction, like distinguishing 0%-50%, 50-75%, 75-90%, 90-100% and 100%...
but it seems hard...

I'll think about this, thanks

- Max