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Re: Kalusa: War of the Words

From:<veritosproject@...>
Date:Wednesday, May 24, 2006, 23:07
Maybe for "vitu es" it's something like: "I see to the cat"?
On 5/24/06, Jim Henry <jimhenry1973@...> wrote:
> On 5/24/06, Gary Shannon <fiziwig@...> wrote: > > It's interesting to watch the "war of the words" > > developing on the Kalusa free-for-all site! > > > > Some are offering stict CV words and some are using > > consonant clusters. There are a lot of reduplicating > > words emerging, and a lot of people voting them up or > > down. Some are using short words and others are > > offering longer, more comoplicated words. Which will > > prevail? > > I've generally been trying to avoid using phonemes > or clusters that others haven't already used. > > > Some are compounding words to create new words and > > others are insisting on using particles with the root > > words for derivation. Some are attaching suffixes > > while others are attaching particles with a hyphen, > > and still others setting the particles apart from the > > root word. > > > It's almost as if there are two "dialects" of Kalusa > > developing that I've been thinking of as "Slavic > > Kalusa" and "polynesian Kalusa". The two seem quite > > alien to each other, and the words don't seem to mesh > > together in a single sentence. > > I vaguely see what you mean, but can you be > more specific? The isolating and agglutinating > trends are in conflict, as is a priori coinage vs. > borrowing from Indo-European. > > > By this weekend I hope to have a new page with the > > first 100 standardized and graded sentences that will > > allow visitors to offer alternate translations and > > vote on the various versions. Once that happens it > > will be interesting to watch the battles over what the > > "true" translation of such common, yet currently hotly > > contested words and "man", "father", and "mother" will > > be. Which "man/woman" faction will prevail, the > > "ezikize/kalemaze" faction or the "andru/adesa" > > faction? > > When I noticed that there were two words for "man" > in the corpus, I added a sentence that used both > of them in different senses; it looks like it has had > some influence, but now somone has added another > sentence that makes another distinction between > the two words glossed as 'man' in early sentences. > Also, there are at least three words for "woman": > kalemaze, adesa, and guniko/guniku (the last > seems to mean either "old woman" or "grandmother"). > > > Will "da" become the definite article that some are > > trying to make it as in "Ma vito da palu", (I see the > > cat.) or will it be reserved for the meaning "the one > > which is..." as in "Ma vito da ruba" (I see the red > > one.)? > > All the "vito" sentences with a ranking of >=100 > have "SUBJ vito es OBJ". "vito" seems to want its object > marked with "es". > > > Will "kia" be reserved for linking adjectives to > > nouns, or will it be used as the possesive link as > > well? The partilce "a" is trying to become exclusively > > the possesive connector as in "palua a ma" as opposed > > to "palu kia ma", but "kia" as the possesive is > > putting up a good fight. Which will win out? > > All the handful of "a" sentences currently have CQ rankings > below 50. > > There are 330 sentences in the corpus as of now. > > -- > Jim Henry > http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry >