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Re: Dutch questions

From:Rob Haden <magwich78@...>
Date:Monday, May 8, 2006, 0:10
On Sun, 7 May 2006 19:55:20 -0400, Roger Mills <rfmilly@...> wrote:

>Here's the list from my "Kramers' Engels Woordenboek" (23d ptg., 1953)-- >it actually uses IPA, though it appears to be British-oriented... > >Dutch: bad [A] (script a)-- Engl. "shorter than bath" >baden, haast [a] -- fast, father >bed [E] -- gat >feest, lezen [e] -- face >pit [I] -- pit >riet [i] --free >bot "ò" (not IPA) -- between full and pot >pot [O] -- pot >boot, lopen [o] -- dote >hoed [u] -- foot (I would have thought more [u] than [U]) >put "ü" (not IPA) -- unstressed V in ago >minuut, uren [y] -- Fr. minute >reus [o-slash] -- Fr. peu >gave (for the e) [@] -- unstr. V in ago > >In foreign words only: >crème [E:] -- air >contrôle [O:] -- draw >freule [long oe-lig] -- pearl >+ the four nasal vowels of French [a~, E~, o~, oe~] as in dans, enfin,
ton,
>and Verdun resp. > >Diphthongs >Du. ai [ai] -- line >ijs, reis [Ei] --- eye (I think this is just "close enough") >koud [Ou] -- loud (ditto above comment) >darri [a:i] -- a of fast + ee of free >eeuw [e:u] -- a of face + oo of foot >nieuw [i:u] -- free + foot >nooit [o:I] -- dote + free >huis [oe lig+y] -- pearl + unstr.V of ago >toeit [u:i] -- foot + free >duw [y:u] -- Fr. minute + foot > >That pretty much matches what I've been told by L2 Du. speakers in >Indonesia, and a few L1 speakers elsewhere (correcting my atrocious >pronounciation). But I read it quite well :-)) > >I'm sure there are regional variations. Coming soon to your browser-- >YADPT. > >When early 20th Du. missionaries tried to reduce Indonesian langs. to >written form, they often followed Du. conventions. The very worst ex. was >the Kei language; even after 20+ years I'm still not sure what the guy >meant with some of his spellings.
Thanks! Yeah, that's pretty much the same as what Wikipedia has. What I'm really looking for, though, is a table of *historical* correspondences with English (and other West Germanic languages). That is, what are the diachronic relationships between English and Dutch vowels? Sorry that I wasn't clearer about that before. - Rob

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