Re: Dutch questions

On Sun, 7 May 2006 19:55:20 -0400, Roger Mills <rfmilly@...> wrote:

>Here's the list from my "Kramers' Engels Woordenboek" (23d ptg., 1953)--
>it actually uses IPA, though it appears to be British-oriented...
>
>Dutch: bad [A] (script a)-- Engl. "shorter than bath"
>baden, haast [a] -- fast, father
>bed [E] -- gat
>feest, lezen [e] -- face
>pit [I] -- pit
>riet [i]  --free
>bot  "ò" (not IPA) -- between full and pot
>pot [O] -- pot
>boot, lopen [o] -- dote
>hoed [u] -- foot (I would have thought more [u] than [U])
>put "ü" (not IPA) -- unstressed V in ago
>minuut, uren [y] -- Fr. minute
>reus [o-slash] -- Fr. peu
>gave (for the e) [@] -- unstr. V in ago
>
>In foreign words only:
>crème [E:] -- air
>contrôle [O:] -- draw
>freule [long oe-lig] -- pearl
>+ the four nasal vowels of French [a~, E~, o~, oe~] as in dans, enfin,
ton,
>and Verdun resp.
>
>Diphthongs
>Du. ai [ai] -- line
>ijs, reis [Ei] --- eye (I think this is just "close enough")
>koud [Ou] -- loud (ditto above comment)
>darri [a:i] -- a of fast + ee of free
>eeuw [e:u] -- a of face + oo of foot
>nieuw [i:u] -- free + foot
>nooit [o:I] -- dote + free
>huis [oe lig+y] -- pearl + unstr.V of ago
>toeit [u:i] -- foot + free
>duw [y:u] -- Fr. minute + foot
>
>That pretty much matches what I've been told by L2 Du. speakers in
>Indonesia, and a few L1 speakers elsewhere (correcting my atrocious
>pronounciation).  But I read it quite well :-))
>
>I'm sure there are regional variations. Coming soon to your browser--
>YADPT.
>
>When early 20th Du. missionaries tried to reduce Indonesian langs. to
>written form, they often followed Du. conventions. The very worst ex. was
>the Kei language; even after 20+ years I'm still not sure what the guy
>meant with some of his spellings.
Thanks!  Yeah, that's pretty much the same as what Wikipedia has.  What
I'm really looking for, though, is a table of *historical* correspondences
with English (and other West Germanic languages).  That is, what are the
diachronic relationships between English and Dutch vowels?  Sorry that I
wasn't clearer about that before.

- Rob

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