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Re: The Monovocalic PIE Myth (was Germans have no /w/, ...)

From:Nik Taylor <yonjuuni@...>
Date:Friday, June 11, 2004, 5:49
william drewery wrote:
> Thanks for the description of historical Japanese > phonetics. I've often wondred why Japanese seems to > have such an 'off-kilter' phonology. It has /p/ but no > /b/
Eh? It has plenty of /b/'s! Banzai being a famous example. Other words, even excluding Sino-Japanese and loan words: oboeru (learn) and boku (I). /p/, however, *is* limited. In native words, it exists only in geminates and after the nasal, due to the fact that there was a sound change /p/ -> /P/ (and later -> /w/ or null word-medially or /h/ elsewhere) except when geminated or preceded by a syllabic /n/, hence pairs like Nihon/Nippon or Sempai/Kouhai (Senior/Junior; -pai/-hai represents the same morpheme). This is also why /p/ and /b/ are written in kana as modifications of /h/. Incidentally, Old Japanese had a "one voiced obstruent per word" restriction, which is why words that contain voicd obstruents are never subject to sequential voicing, and why voiced consonants are generally somewhat rare in native vocabulary.
> s and z but then an 'f' without a 'v'
It doesn't really have /f/, tho. [P] is an allophone of /h/
> Arabic is a bit odd too. It has 'b', but no 'p'
For a similar reason to Japanese's limitation on /p/, sound changes, specifically /p/ -> /f/

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william drewery <will65610@...>