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Re: The Monovocalic PIE Myth (was Germans have no /w/, ...)

From:william drewery <will65610@...>
Date:Friday, June 11, 2004, 21:19
--- Nik Taylor <yonjuuni@...> wrote:
> I've often wondred why Japanese seems > to > > have such an 'off-kilter' phonology. It has /p/ > but no > > /b/ > > Eh? It has plenty of /b/'s! Banzai being a famous > example. Other > words, even excluding Sino-Japanese and loan words: > oboeru (learn) and > boku (I). /p/, however, *is* limited. In native > words, it exists only > in geminates and after the nasal, due to the fact > that there was a sound > change /p/ -> /P/ (and later -> /w/ or null > word-medially or /h/ > elsewhere) except when geminated or preceded by a > syllabic /n/, hence > pairs like Nihon/Nippon or Sempai/Kouhai > (Senior/Junior; -pai/-hai > represents the same morpheme). This is also why /p/ > and /b/ are written > in kana as modifications of /h/. > > Incidentally, Old Japanese had a "one voiced > obstruent per word" > restriction, which is why words that contain voicd > obstruents are never > subject to sequential voicing, and why voiced > consonants are generally > somewhat rare in native vocabulary. >
Ahhh! That's probably why I thought ithad no 'b's. Icouldn't think of any Japanese words that had them.
> > s and z but then an 'f' without a 'v' > > It doesn't really have /f/, tho. [P] is an > allophone of /h/ >
True. But I can't think of any voiced equivalent to it. I'm guessing it's that restriction again.
> > Arabic is a bit odd too. It has 'b', but no 'p' > > For a similar reason to Japanese's limitation on > /p/, sound changes, > specifically /p/ -> /f/
Interesting. Did tis happen in Spanish as well? Travis __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/

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