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Re: Furrin phones in my own lect! (YAGPT warning!)

From:Henrik Theiling <theiling@...>
Date:Monday, March 27, 2006, 22:44

"Mark J. Reed" <markjreed@...> writes:
> OK, pardon my ignorance, but what is this "vocalized r" you keep > talking about? >...
In standard pronunciation, closed syllables in -/r/ will use a vowel [6], thus forming a diphthong, instead of [R], which is only used prevocalically. I don't know what exactly are the phonemes -- it probably depends on what you want to stress and how abstract you want to be. Probably there is a common standard for phonemes. However, /6/ is probably not a phoneme, but /r/ is and [6] is an allophone of /r/. It makes interesting pairs when you add endings starting with vowels that make a closed syllable open, e.g. for my dialect: _leer_ /le:r/ [lE:6] 'empty' (predicative or citation form) _leere_ /le:r@/ [le:R@] 'empty' (attributive e.g. (I treat /@/ as a phoneme here, because it's more clear, but maybe you could treat it more abstractly as /e/ in unstressed position, but I usually write short [E] that way.)
> I've admittedly have all of six weeks of formal German training, but > you'd think that sort of thing would have been mentioned?
It is definitely considered standard pronunciation. I think in Bühnenaussprache ('stage pronunciation'), which is a defined standard for theatre plays and probably news readers try to use that, [6] is only used after long vowels. Anyway, since it's part of a (constructed, but sensible) standard, this *should* be taught to learners, I think. I dare say that the vast majority of dialects (with the [R] rhotic) extends the rule to short vowel + /6/, so I often assume that is the 'standard', because I consider it more common.
> As far as we were taught, |r| always means /R/ (or whatever) in > German orthography. Replacing it with [6] is mighty strange, > especially from the perspective of a native speaker of a decidedly > rhotic variety of English.
As Roger says, it's similar to [@] allophone of /r/ in non-rhotic English, I think.
> Is it a feature of the standard dialect?
> What conditions the replacement?
See above, I think closed syllable, directly post-vocalic /r/ triggers a diphthong in -[6].
> Why is |er| sometimes [E6] and sometimes just [6]?
It depends whether _e_ represents /e/, /e:/, or /@/. The combination /@r/ is pronounced [6], /er/ is [ER] in Bühnenaussprache, [E6] for most, and [E:6] for me and /e:r/ is [e:6] in Bündenaussprache and for most, and [E:6] for me **Henrik -- Relay 13 is online:


Tristan Alexander McLeay <conlang@...>