Re: Furrin phones in my own lect! (YAGPT warning!)
|From:||Henrik Theiling <theiling@...>|
|Date:||Monday, March 27, 2006, 23:01|
Roger Mills <rfmilly@...> writes:
> Ditto. But very few intro.courses get into non-book-standard speech very
 is definitely part of Standard German pronunciation.
> And Henrik wrote earlier:
> > Of course, /@/ vs. /6/ vs. /a/ is a mean phonemic contrast for foreign
> > learners
> When is [@] phonemic?? Again, my impression has always been that it's simply
> unstressed /e/, in final syllables or in some prefixes like ge-, be-.
Yes, maybe. It probably depends on where you draw the phoneme
boundaries and how abstract you want to get. I conveniently
distinguish /e/ and /@/ in order to not include stress in the basic
examples. And with the presence of a lot of loan words, I'd not be
completely sure where there are no /e/ vs. /@/ (both in unstressed
position) minimal pairs. /e/ would be the short version of both /e:/
and /E:/, which would then usually be pronounced [E].
> Otherwise, mutatis mutandis, a similar three-way contrast does exist in
> Engl., where [@] and [V]~ are resp. unstressed/stressed allophones of
> /@/; and of course we have /a/ though it's usually [A] I think.
> But then, I don't think German has alternations like "telegraph ~telegraphy"
> ['tEl@gr&f] ~[t@'lEgr@fi] where [@] can replace various vowels.
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