Re: Furrin phones in my own lect! (YAGPT warning!)

Hi!

Roger Mills <rfmilly@...> writes:
>...
> Ditto. But very few intro.courses get into non-book-standard speech very
> seriously.
[6] is definitely part of Standard German pronunciation.

> And Henrik wrote earlier:
> > Of course, /@/ vs. /6/ vs. /a/ is a mean phonemic contrast for foreign
> > learners
>
> When is [@] phonemic?? Again, my impression has always been that it's simply
> unstressed /e/, in final syllables or in some prefixes like ge-, be-.
Yes, maybe.  It probably depends on where you draw the phoneme
boundaries and how abstract you want to get.  I conveniently
distinguish /e/ and /@/ in order to not include stress in the basic
examples.  And with the presence of a lot of loan words, I'd not be
completely sure where there are no /e/ vs. /@/ (both in unstressed
position) minimal pairs.  /e/ would be the short version of both /e:/
and /E:/, which would then usually be pronounced [E].

> Otherwise, mutatis mutandis, a similar three-way contrast does exist in
> Engl., where [@] and [V]~[3] are resp. unstressed/stressed allophones of
> /@/; and of course we have /a/ though it's usually [A] I think.
>
> But then, I don't think German has alternations like "telegraph ~telegraphy"
> ['tEl@gr&f] ~[t@'lEgr@fi] where [@] can replace various vowels.
No. :-)

**Henrik
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