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Re: Furrin phones in my own lect! (YAGPT warning!)

From:Roger Mills <rfmilly@...>
Date:Monday, March 27, 2006, 18:53
Mark J. Reed wrote:

> OK, pardon my ignorance, but what is this "vocalized r" you keep > talking about? I've admittedly have all of six weeks of formal German > training, but you'd think that sort of thing would have been > mentioned? As far as we were taught, |r| always means /R/ (or > whatever) in German orthography.
Ditto. But very few get into non-book-standard speech very seriously. (How many Spanish courses mention -s > h?, or the dropping of -d- in -ado?) Replacing it with [6] is mighty
> strange, especially from the perspective of a native speaker of a > decidedly rhotic variety of English. Is it a feature of the standard > dialect? What conditions the replacement? Why is |er| sometimes [E6] > and sometimes just [6]?
Not all that strange, maybe...My _impression_ (just from reading various German-speakers' YAPTs here) is that it's pretty much like non-rhotic Amer.Engl where e.g. "pier" is [pI@], except the German off-glide is the lower [6]. And Henrik wrote earlier:
> Of course, /@/ vs. /6/ vs. /a/ is a mean phonemic contrast for foreign > learners
When is [@] phonemic?? Again, my impression has always been that it's simply unstressed /e/, in final syllables or in some prefixes like ge-, be-. Otherwise, mutatis mutandis, a similar three-way contrast does exist in Engl., where [@] and [V]~[3] are resp. unstressed/stressed allophones of /@/; and of course we have /a/ though it's usually [A] I think. But then, I don't think German has alternations like "telegraph ~telegraphy" ['tEl@gr&f] ~[t@'lEgr@fi] where [@] can replace various vowels.


Henrik Theiling <theiling@...>