Re: Furrin phones in my own lect! (YAGPT warning!)

Hi!

Philip Newton <philip.newton@...> writes:
>...
> > Since _ein_ is a stem, I think your rule holds, except
> > that it should be "stem-initial and word initial":
> > surely a prefix like _un-_ is pronounced [?un]!
>
> Though not all native speakers "obey" this rule -- case in point is
> the pronunciation of "erinnern", which is [?E6'?In6n] for me but
> [?E'RIn6n] for some (which sounds wrong to me).
Sounds wrong for me, too, but you're right: it's definitely used.
Probably an exceptional word.

> BTW, I used to think that the vocalised /r/ was [a], not [6], until I
> met an American who apparently pronounced [a] in such cases, and it
> sounded distinctly odd -- the vowel sound was simply wrong.
>
> Since them, I've become convinced that [6] is a separate phone from
> [a] in German.
Definitely.

Of course, /@/ vs. /6/ vs. /a/ is a mean phonemic contrast for foreign
learners (Skolt Sami people probably have no problems with this,
though).

Hmm, let's see:

         Ballast  /'balast/   (though this may be /ba'last/ for some)
vs. (du) ballerst /'bal6st/

**Henrik
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