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Re: THEORY/YAEPT: Re: Terkunan: rules for deriving nouns, verbs, adjectives

From:Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>
Date:Thursday, November 1, 2007, 19:49
Could you elaborate on the pronunciations of those pairs?  Most of
them are perfect homophones IML.  (The exception being finger/singer,
which don't even have the same vowel in the first syllable.)
  I'm not sure about "madder" the color, since I've never heard that
word before, but I suspect it would sound the same as the "angrier"
version.  Is there a parallel distinction between the herpetic and
arithmetic meanings of "adder" in those same dialects?

On 10/30/07, And Rosta <and.rosta@...> wrote:
> Dirk Elzinga, On 30/10/2007 18:33: > > On 10/30/07, Jörg Rhiemeier <joerg_rhiemeier@...> wrote: > >> The GMP *should not* distinguish between morphological endings and > >> normal stem ends (where they are word-final), because real sound > >> changes *do not make such distinctions*. You are trying to simulate > >> something that *just doesn't happen* in natlangs. If a final -m > >> goes away, for instance, it does so no matter what kind of morpheme > >> it is part of. > > > > It is not true that sound changes do not take morphological boundaries > > into account. Consider the following examples from a non-standard > > variety of English: > [...] > > So it seems that morphological information is crucial to understanding > > this change, and your statement that "sound changes don't care the > > least of the morphological structure > > of the word" is not true, or is at best overstated. > > Further examples from English (English being the language I know something > about): > > Here are some minimal pairs in various accents of English. > > finger : singer [everywhere but NW England] > > madder (brown) : madder (more mad) > gladden (iris) : gladden (make glad) [various places] > > pause : paws [SE England] > > hula : ruler [SE England] > > holy : holey [SE England] > > nose : knows [Leeds] > > pride : pried [Northumbria] > > brood : brewed [Scotland, Ireland] > > The second item in each pair contains a morpheme boundary & has a phonetic > realization found only when a morpheme boundary is present. > > The notion that phonology is blind to morphological juncture is an erroneous > (and nowadays obsolete?) piece of dogma. > > --And. >
-- Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>


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