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Re: [Re: [Re: Roll Your Own IE language]]

From:Danny Wier <dawier@...>
Date:Thursday, April 8, 1999, 18:08
Quoth Ray:

>Tho it looks as tho Lehman by using IPA symbols /?/, /h/ or /x/ and
the
>lower case Greek gamma (I assume that 'V with a curly on the bottom'
is
>that - i.e. voiced equivalent of /x/) is doing precisely that, i.e. >actually identifying values for the hypothetical 'laryngeals'.
Weiss'
>"noncolored", "a-colored" and "o-colored" are rather vaguer and less >precise IMO.
Yep, it's the gamma, the sound of Irish & Scots Gaelic <dh>/<gh>. But I think -- and bear in mind I'm pro-Nostratic -- these might have been pharyngeal, not velar. That would leave the same four 'laryngeals' as Semitic. But that's theory number one, now on to my other possibility...
>It seems that things have not progressed much. IIRC the theory is
also
>associated - at least by some - with the 'no PIE vowel' theory.
According
>to this the language possessed onlt 'sonants' which could have a
vocalic or
>consonatal value according to environment. IIRC (and I probably
don't :)
>they were: l, m, n, r, j, w, H1, H2, H3.
A 'no-vowel' theory? Interesting... and actually possible, if the H- phonemes could be mapped to vowels. This is my theory number two, but I'm a bit more liberal and account four laryngeals, primarily because of the schwa. Of course 'syllabic' /j/ and /w/ would be /i/ and /u/, and the other consonants become syllabic nasals/liquids. But these two theories clash, so I'd have to look more in depth. Maybe glottal/pharyngeal consonants could mutate to individual vowels via a number of intermediaries.
>Tom, alas, is, I believe, not correct in saying "No one really
claims to
>know what the actual phonetic character of the laryngeals is/was"
since I'm
>fairly certain there are some odd characters who do make just that
claim.
>But I certainly agree that no one can _rightly_ make the claim and
that all
>we can do is make (hopefully informed) guesses.
Yep... but we might have to go beyond Indo-European to find this 'missing link'... Danny _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com