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Re: OT: Mismatched phonologies / accents

From:Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...>
Date:Thursday, January 24, 2008, 16:38
Peter Collier skrev:
> Appologies to those of you who will get two copies of > this message. > > I have the following initial phoneme inventory for > consonants: > > / p t k / > / p\ B T D x G / > / s z / > / m n / > / w l j / > / r / > > I need to try and hammer a Gallo-Romance based > language into that shape, and there are a few Romance > phonemes I'm struggling to fit. > > If a speaker only has the above phonemes readily > available, do you think the following approximate > pronunciations are likely? > > /S/ > /T/ > /Z/ > /D/ > /ts/ > /s/ > /dz/ > /z/ > /tS/ > /x/ > /dZ/ > /G/ > > Or do you think any of the sounds might be distinctive > enough to the speakers's ears, and easy enough to > accurately 'mimic', that a couple of new phonemes > might be added to the inventory (e.g. /S/, /Z/)? > > Any thoughts/alternative suggestions greatly received!
If the language having the inventory is some kind of pre- Old High German I'd expect /s/ to be apical [s_a] (like in modern Spanish and Greek), and /z/ not to exist[^1] and thus: /ts/ > /T/ /dz/ > /D/ /S/ > /x/ /Z/ > /j/ or /G/ /tS/ > /S/ > /x/ or > /tj/ > /tt/ (/t/ word initially) /dZ/ > /Z/ > /j/ or /G/ or /dj/ > /dd/d/ BTW I'd expect Latin /k/ before /e, i/ to become /ts/dz/ so that /tS/ would rarely arise -- perhaps only from /kj/, and I do regard /j/ as the most likely outcome of both /Z/ and /dZ/. Some think VL /g;/ actually first went to /j/ everywhere! /BP 8^)> -- Benct Philip Jonsson -- melroch atte melroch dotte se ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "C'est en vain que nos Josués littéraires crient à la langue de s'arrêter; les langues ni le soleil ne s'arrêtent plus. Le jour où elles se *fixent*, c'est qu'elles meurent." (Victor Hugo)


Peter Collier <petecollier@...>