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USAGE: rhotics (was: Advanced English + Babel text)

From:J. 'Mach' Wust <j_mach_wust@...>
Date:Tuesday, November 2, 2004, 19:47
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:54:06 -0500, Pascal A. Kramm <pkramm@...> wrote:

>On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:24:13 -0500, Sally Caves <scaves@...> wrote: > >>In pronouncing German, I try my >>best to produce the back-trilled "r." I can't do it, it comes out >>sounding like a French "r," but I respect it and the uvular acrobatics of >>its natives. > >German "r" is definitely NOT trilled. It's the voiced uvular fricative.
The only definite assertion about the pronunciation of German /r/ is that there's a lot of variation (and I'm talking about standard German, not about the dialects). Some varieties have [r] (which is also recommended in the prescriptive tradition) but most have nowadays either [R\] or [R]. Independent from that, there's a variation analogous to the one between the rhotic and non-rhotic dialects in English: Most varieties of standard German vowelize the /r/ after long vowels or schwa, and many vowelize it after short vowels as well.
>I'm not that good at French, but afaik, it's prectically the same there.
I thought that a real trill [R\] is most common. In Parisian speech (and other), /r/ is devoiced in weak syllables after voiceless consonants, so that e.g. |mettre| turns out as [mEtX]. There are no r-dropping dialects at all, if I'm not wrong. gry@s: j. 'mach' wust


Andreas Johansson <andjo@...>