Re: Consonant clusters
|From:||Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>|
|Date:||Tuesday, July 9, 2002, 6:56|
En réponse à Steg Belsky <draqonfayir@...>:
> I was just using the way that i've been used to transcribing the
> |R-acute| of Gabwe. I associate that sound with rhotics because if
> not mistaken that's how one Modern Israeli Hebrew dialect pronounces
I didn't know that. Although I can understand it, I still find that [M\] has
more affinities to velar fricatives than to rhotics.
> I actually made up a big chart of all the different dialects of
> we./ (the Proto-Gabwe form of the name), maybe i should make it into a
> picture file and put it up on the web. Btw, how do you mark in IPA or
> ASCII-IPA a vowel that is centralized along a border of the Vowel
> Trapezoid? Proto-Gabwe's four vowels written in my chart as |a e i o|
> with a dot on top are such vowels, of the low, front, high, and back
> borders respectively.
IPA doesn't have a way of marking that consistently (probably because there is
no natlang with such a feature)... But on the high edge you have barred i (
in X-SAMPA) as a centralised vowel, on the low edge the most centralised vowel
you can find is turned a ( in X-SAMPA}. It is a bit higher than [a], but is
the only low central vowel which can be easily marked. A retracted a (a with
underline, or [a_-] in X-SAMPA) is probably not retracted enough to be central
(at least in IPAHelp, the retracted i given as example doesn't sound at all
like barred i). For the front and back edge it's much easier. You have the
raised and lowered diacritics (rendered [_r] and [_o] in X-SAMPA) which can
perfectly do the job. A vowel centered on the front edge can be written [e_o]
or [E_r]. A vowel centered on the back edge can similarly be marked [o_o] or
By the way, now that we're talking about IPA diacritics, does anyone know the
difference between the "centralized" diacritic (the IPA umlaut, [_"] in X-
SAMPA) and the "mid-centralized" one? (the IPA cross, [_x] in X-SAMPA) IPAHelp
gives both [e_"] and [e_x] which do sound different but I cannot describe the
difference nor understand how it's made.
Very nice chart! With its use of non-IPA characters, it looks really like what
you would find in a journal of linguistics ;))))) .
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