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Re: Consonant clusters

From:Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Date:Tuesday, July 9, 2002, 6:56
En réponse à Steg Belsky <draqonfayir@...>:

> > I was just using the way that i've been used to transcribing the > |R-acute| of Gabwe. I associate that sound with rhotics because if > i'm > not mistaken that's how one Modern Israeli Hebrew dialect pronounces > its > /r/.
I didn't know that. Although I can understand it, I still find that [M\] has more affinities to velar fricatives than to rhotics.
> I actually made up a big chart of all the different dialects of > /Nga:mb > we./ (the Proto-Gabwe form of the name), maybe i should make it into a > picture file and put it up on the web. Btw, how do you mark in IPA or > ASCII-IPA a vowel that is centralized along a border of the Vowel > Trapezoid? Proto-Gabwe's four vowels written in my chart as |a e i o| > with a dot on top are such vowels, of the low, front, high, and back > borders respectively. >
IPA doesn't have a way of marking that consistently (probably because there is no natlang with such a feature)... But on the high edge you have barred i ([1] in X-SAMPA) as a centralised vowel, on the low edge the most centralised vowel you can find is turned a ([6] in X-SAMPA}. It is a bit higher than [a], but is the only low central vowel which can be easily marked. A retracted a (a with underline, or [a_-] in X-SAMPA) is probably not retracted enough to be central (at least in IPAHelp, the retracted i given as example doesn't sound at all like barred i). For the front and back edge it's much easier. You have the raised and lowered diacritics (rendered [_r] and [_o] in X-SAMPA) which can perfectly do the job. A vowel centered on the front edge can be written [e_o] or [E_r]. A vowel centered on the back edge can similarly be marked [o_o] or [O_r]. By the way, now that we're talking about IPA diacritics, does anyone know the difference between the "centralized" diacritic (the IPA umlaut, [_"] in X- SAMPA) and the "mid-centralized" one? (the IPA cross, [_x] in X-SAMPA) IPAHelp gives both [e_"] and [e_x] which do sound different but I cannot describe the difference nor understand how it's made.
> Hey, what the heck... here's the picturefied chart: > > > > The geminates are at syllable boundaries. >
Very nice chart! With its use of non-IPA characters, it looks really like what you would find in a journal of linguistics ;))))) . Christophe. Take your life as a movie: do not let anybody else play the leading role.