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Re: Consonant clusters

From:Steg Belsky <draqonfayir@...>
Date:Monday, July 8, 2002, 23:07
On Tue, 9 Jul 2002 00:18:09 +0200 Christophe Grandsire
<christophe.grandsire@...> writes:
> It also has /r/. That was the hardest for me, > > distinguishing /r/ and /R/ (or /M\/ as you wrote it).
> /R/ is a voiced uvular fricative, the French |r| basically, not a > velar > approximant (unless you're using another transcription than X-SAMPA, > although I > would find such a transcription strange: I don't find anything very > rhotic in > the velar approximant, I find it more comparable to /G/ - for good > reasons ;))) -). I personally find /r/ and /M\/ very different (but > I agree > that /R/ and /M\/ are probably more difficult to distinguish). > Christophe.
- I was just using the way that i've been used to transcribing the |R-acute| of Gabwe. I associate that sound with rhotics because if i'm not mistaken that's how one Modern Israeli Hebrew dialect pronounces its /r/. I actually made up a big chart of all the different dialects of /Nga:mb we./ (the Proto-Gabwe form of the name), maybe i should make it into a picture file and put it up on the web. Btw, how do you mark in IPA or ASCII-IPA a vowel that is centralized along a border of the Vowel Trapezoid? Proto-Gabwe's four vowels written in my chart as |a e i o| with a dot on top are such vowels, of the low, front, high, and back borders respectively. Hey, what the heck... here's the picturefied chart: http://bingweb.binghamton.edu/~bh11744/gabwe/Tiereans.jpg The geminates are at syllable boundaries. -Stephen (Steg) "shinies?"

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