Re: Roumán Part II - Nouns, Adjectives, and Pronouns
| From: | Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...> |
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| Date: | Monday, November 27, 2000, 15:07 |
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En réponse à Nik Taylor <fortytwo@...>:
> Nouns can be masculine or feminine, and fall into 3 declensional
> classes.
> Class I
> S P
> Abs -- -as
> Erg -a -sa*, -ça* (ç used after n, l, r, *tsa -> ça)
> Gen -ei -áu
>
> Class II
> S P
> Abs -ous --*
> Erg -ou -so*, -ço*
> Gen --* -óu
>
> Class III
> S P
> Abs -- -eis
> Erg -e -eibos, -éis (free variation)
> Gen -s -o (-s added to a word ending in -t yields -ç)
>
Funny, to my untrained eyes, this looks rather Greekish :) . I like the idea of
a Romance ergative language. Too bad that I didn't have it... What is the
evolution? Collapsing of the nominative and accusative, through substrate
influence of the native langs *there*, and maybe helped by the neuter nouns
forms?
>
> Pronouns
> Normal set
> 1st Person 2nd person
> S P-incl P-excl S P
> Nom go nous nousél tu ous
> Acc mei nous nousaious tei ous
> Gen mi nocei nost'óu ti becei
> Dat mi noupf noupfáis teibei/tei oupf
> The plural exclusives are derived from Latin _nos aliî_; note the
> somewhat inconsistent spelling {mi} for /mi/
>
> Humble set (used when speaking to a superior)
> 1st Person 2nd person
> S P-incl P-excl S P
> Abs eic i iél eice iç
> Gen us óu oumióu cis çóu
> Erg ouc is ousáis eiçou is
>
> These are derived from _hic_ (_hi alii_ for exclusive) and _iste_
> (notice the /st/ -> /ts/ change). These pronouns take 3rd person
> agreements.
>
So, when talking to an equal or an inferior, you use a nom-acc system for 1st
and 2nd persons? And when your talking to a superior, you use an ergative
system, but with 3rd person agreement on the verb, for both 1st and 2nd persons?
Very neat! :)
>
> Definite Articles
>
> MS MP FS FP
> Abs se si i, s sei
> Gen si sóu sei sáu
> Erg sou sis sa sis
>
Do they come from ipse or from iste?
Christophe.