Re: preliminary conjugation in ju:dajca

On Tue, 11 Jan 2000, Steg Belsky wrote:

>On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:50:43 -0500 Padraic Brown
><pbrown@...> writes:
>> On Tue, 11 Jan 2000, Steg Belsky wrote:
>> >AMÂL  (to love)  [a'mAl]  <  amâre
>> >(active)
>> >amô  ['amow]  <  ámô
>> >amâ  ['amA]  <  ámâs
>> >ama  ['ama]  <  ámat
>> >amâmus  [a'mAmuS]  <  amâmus
>
>> Oo, another one that keeps [u].
>
>> >amâti  [a'mAsi]  <  amâtis
>> >aman  ['aman]  <  ámant
>> >(passive)
>> >amo  ['amo]  <  ámor
>> >amâri  [a'mAri]  <  amâris
>> >amâtu  [a'mAsu]  <  amâtur
>> >amâmul  [a'mAmul]  <  amâmur
>> >amâmîn  [amA'mijn]  <  amâmínî
>> >amant  [a'mant(@)]  <  amántur
>
>> Tres cool! J keeps the whole passive?  Everyone else dumped these;
>> and
>> even Kernu only keeps a couple as impersonal forms. Is there some
>> kind
>> of adstrate influence at work (i.e., do Hebrew or Aramaic have
>> passives)?
>> Pretty neat.
>> Padraic.
>.
>
>Thanks!  Yup, it's adstrate influence.  Hebrew has three-and-two-halves
>passives (simple passive, passive-intensive, passive-causative, as well
>as adjectival present simple and reflexive-passive past), and Aramaic has
>at least one paradigm (itpa`al) which is either a true passive or a
>reflexive-passive.
Wow. Kernu keeps "true passive" forms (descended from Latin) in only
four verbs and at that, only 3d sing. A kind of hortatory 1st pl. is
made from the 1st pl. present passive of these verbs. Another passive
formation, of unsure provenance but probably from Celtic influence, is
found in the habitual or impersonal constructions. All the other
passive forms are done up with esser and ystar (and I think some with
ir and facer) like any other Romance language.

>Did i get the original Latin accented syllables right?  What do you think
>about the 1st and 4th person 'problems'?
>
The stresses all look right to me.  I am sure Ray or John C would have
had cause to raise Greenough and Allen from the grave by now if there
were any glaring errors. I haven't been paying attention in class up
til now. :( Of course, I don't always pay attention in Brithenig class
either, so what's new!? What is this 4th person you speak of?

Padraic.

>
>-Stephen (Steg)
> "repeat after me:  maçtâl. maçtô, maçtâ, maçta..."
>