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Re: USAGE: Beijing (was: USAGE: RE: [CONLANG] A BrSc a? & Nyuu Romaji)

From:Danny Wier <dawier@...>
Date:Tuesday, April 23, 2002, 11:52
From: "John Cowan" <jcowan@...>

> Well, truly and properly the change was [k] > [tS], i.e. > Pinyin g -> Pinyin j, via a palatalized [k]. "Peking" is both > W-G *and* archaic, really.
Not quite. Pinjin j = [tC] where C is a c-curl (what's the SAMPA letter again?). Pinjin zh = [ts`] with a retroflexed sibilant, which is more like [tS] at least the way I pronounce it. This by the way is important in Tech, because I have retroflex affricates (and the voiceless fricative -- these can be pronounced as palatoalveolars) as well as palatal stops that become alveolopalatal affricates in some dialects. Imagine Pinyin zh, ch, sh vs. j, q, x, but make zh and j ejectives and add voiced counterparts (zzh, jj). ~Danny~