Re: not un-/anti-passive

On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:20:12 +0300, JR <fuscian@...> wrote:

>On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Jeffrey Jones <jsjonesmiami@...>
>wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:30:03 +0300, JR <fuscian@...> wrote:
>> No, it adds a new argument, although the role of the dative may be
>> implicit.
>>[snip]
>>
>> Note: ABS = patientive, ERG = agentive
>>
>> (1) Ho-paldu-bwe.
>>    ???-rain.PRS.IND-1NPD
>>    "It's raining on us."
>> Technically, paldax is impersonal, but there can still be a patientive
>> argument.
>> (2) Hi korilo su-bwe ho-naus-in.
>>    DEF-INA.S.ABS hazel.S.ABS COP.PRS.IND-1NPD ???-shade-VN
>>    "The hazel shades us."
>> (The COP copula + VN verbal noun construction = habitual aspect.)
>> (3) T-a-m matse t-i ho-jad-en-ti xiskw-e.
>>    3-ANI.S-GEN mother.S.DAT 3-INA.S.ABS ???-seem-FUT.IND-3SD terrible-
>> SPO
>>    "It will seem terrible to her mother."
>> (4) Ho-laun-os-t-ki gaut-a daxme tep nu.
>>    ???-beautiful-CMP-VRB-1SD NUL-ANI.S.ABS woman.S.ABS than 2S.ABS
>>    "There's no woman more beautiful to me than you."
>> (5) T-i juku ho-laip-ti-twe.
>>    3-INA.S.ABS very ???-easy-VRB-3PD
>>    "It's very easy for them."
>> (6) Johanna-i ho-bof-ti lo Tomas-a disp-ax-ta.
>>    Joan-DAT ???-modal.PRS.IND-3SD CPL Tom-ERG dance-SUB-3SE
>>    "Joan thinks Tom should dance."
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>So far it looks like a circumstantial voice, like that of Malagasy ...
>though differing in the specifics. Can you give the "normal" versions of a
>few of these sentences, though, without using the construction in question?
>Say, numbers 1, 2, and 6. And what's the meaning of the modal in 6?
>
>Josh
Jeffrey; what's an online reference to the "unpassive"? If there isn't one
online, can you tell us a bit about who uses it, and for what? and a hint about
how to find the reference?

Josh; I'd never heard of the "circumstantial voice" before! Does it resemble any
applicative "voices"?  How is it different?  Is there an online reference to how
Malagasay uses it?

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