Re: Zetowvu / Ezotwuv (new conlang)

Emaelivpar Joseph Fatula:
>It's kind of addicting.
To say the least.  <grin>

>Here's my thought on romanization.
>
>/i/ = i
>/u/ = u
>/e/ = e
>/@\/ = y
I've realized that I was thinking of /@\/ as just an allophonic realization
of unstressed vowels...  But now that I'm thinking about it, that seems so
dull and overdone.  Why not have the unrounded central vowel be a vowel in
its own right?  Probably natlangs have already done this on the sly,
without giving me a letter of notification.  ;)

>/Q/ = w
The only problem here is that /w/ exists in the language.  I think you must
have replied to my first, incomplete, e-mail, since the consonant chart you
quoted doesn't include /w/, which I hadn't typed in the first e-mail.  I
actually give my romanization, so you can see that <z> is already used to
represent extra-long and <g> to represent velar.

T'emaelivpar Christophe Grandsire:
>Why not <ee> for /e/ and <e> for /@\/? That would make sense since you have
><ae> for /a/ and <a> for /Q/.
In principle, I like it.  Unfortunately, I hate the <ee> digraph.  Hate it.
 Ptuey!  :P  I could go with <eu>, though...

>It is. "Short" *is* actually the normal length (1x normal length in your case,
>long being typically 2x, and extra-long 3x). Less than the normal length
>is "extra-short" (typically 0.5x).
Thanks for clearing that up.  Do any natlangs have my particular division
of length?

<z>   3  (extra-long)
<s>   2  (long)
<>    1  (normal/"short")
<v>   .5 (short/"extra-short")
<x>   -  ("zero-length")*

* Zetowvu speakers consider themselves to have a fifth "length" of zero,
but it's really just voicelessness, which isn't so far from silent when
it's a vowel that's voiceless.

>Hehe, the first bring if I understood correctly <qr> for /r\`/. I like it
:)) .

Thanks!  :)

>Ever since I dicovered Teonaht I have a soft spot towards letters used as
>modifiers put *in front* of the letters they modify.
Teonaht could very well be my subconscious source of inspiration...  Hmm.

>Somehow I'd see it more fusional, with lots of alternations and ablauts for
>grammatical features.
The SIL glossary doesn't have either term...  What are alternations and
ablauts?

>Oh, and I forgot to say it before but [M\] is an approximant, not
>a lateral approximant, and should be on the line with [r\], [r\`] and [j]
>rather than with the laterals. The velar lateral is [L\].
Eep, you're quite right.  There isn't any /M\/ in Zetowvu, it should have
been /L\/.

>> --
>> Arthaey, Asrlye, and Saryle  ;)
>
>It surely *is* an etabnaninnous transliteration :) .
And since length is not phonemic in English, maybe I could even be
"Zarylse" if you're calling for me -- syllable lengthening (hehe, I wanted
to say "lengthification" <grin>) and all that.

  Mom: Saryle?
  Me:  <ignores parental unit>
  Mom: Zarylse?!?

Oh this is too much fun.  :)

>> This is, of course, assuming I'm pronounced /L/ correctly.
>
>I wouldn't know. To me replacing a dental fricative with a palatal lateral
is a
>bit strange.
But out of the available consonants, what else would be better?  I figured
it was just a sad case of not having _anything_ really close.  I'm open to
suggestions, of course.

T'emaelivpar Tristan:
>Well, that's standard X-SAMPA.
>Did that help? I dunno if that was your exact question...
T'ves emaelivpar Christophe Grandsire kes:
>That's pure X-SAMPA.
Seems I wasn't clear.  I was only referring to the spacing of the chart.  :)


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