Re: OT: "Claw" (was "I'm new at this")

 --- Joe <joe@...> wrote: > On Monday 25
November 2002 8:03 pm, you wrote:
> > David Peterson wrote:
> > >Replying to Christophe:
> >
> > I know this's not addressed to me, but I couldn't
> resist mentioning a
> > couple of points ...
> >
> > >All right, we've got to get this straight,
> because the pronunciation which
> > >you're saying is normal, I would claim could
> never exist in any dialect of
> > >English in any part of the world ever.   Let me
> make sure we're not
> > > getting any wires crossed here:
> > >
> > >1.) First, we're talking about the word "claw",
> which is usually the paw
> > > of an animal which has with sharp nails.
> > >
> > >2.) [A] is a low, back, unrounded vowel, and [aw]
> is a front, low,
> > >unrounded
> > >vowel followed by a labio-velar glide (or some
> sort of high, back, rounded
> > >coda), forming a diphthong.
> > >
> > >3.) The word "clod" has [A] ([k_h5A:d]), and the
> word "cloud" has [aw]
> > >([k_h5aw:d]).
> >
> > Are velarized /l/ really that omnipresent? I know
> that RP I learnt in
> > school is kinda out-dated, but is non-velarized
> /l/ really totally dead?
> >
>
> Hmm..well, speaking an RP-ish ideolect, I'd say that
> alveolar /l/ is alive
> and well.  However, David Peterson obviously has
> screwy English ( just
> kidding).
anyone really short of alveolar /l/ should take a trip
to wales. many accents there have NO velar /l/.

or they can take a trip to london, which realises
velar /l/ as something in the range of [w]~[M\] (
hello christophe ! it finally dawned on me that this
is probably the sound in /belt/ [bEM\?], tho it could
be a fleeting [M] )

just don't go to scotland, as there they tend towards
[5] at the expense of [l]. just as many americans do.

oh, and as joe says, rp still keeps the [l]/[5]
distinction very much alive

bn

( who says [klO:] )

=====
bnathyuw | landan | arR
stamp the sunshine out | angelfish
your tears came like anaesthesia | phèdre

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