USAGE: Jelly & jamm (was: CHAT: "have a nice day")

At 11:59 pm +0000 12/3/00, And Rosta wrote:
>Dennis Paul Himes
>>
>> And Rosta <a.rosta@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > I thought this was one of the brit/US differences that absolutely everyone
>> > knows, along with jelly/jam,
>>
>>     As has been pointed out, jelly and jam are two different things, at
>> least in the U.S.
>
>They are in Britain too, but jelly you eat with icecream & is made by
>pouring boiling water over rubbery cubes & then putting it in the fridge.
>I don't know if it exists nowadays. It's very wobbly once it's set.
>Possibly you call it Jello?
Yes, that's one sort of jelly - flavored & colored gellatine!  Probably
what hoi polloi generally have in mindd when they hear the word "jelly".

But it does have another meaning in Britain.  I cannot better Irina's
description:
At 8:17 pm +0100 11/3/00, Irina Rempt wrote:
[....]
>
>To make jelly, you use a "jelly bag", that is a muslin bag (or one
>improvised with a cloth) that you strain the pulp through to get only
>the juice. Then boil it with the sugar and (depending on the fruit)
>pectin and/or lemon juice until it starts to set.
>
>To make jam, you just boil the whole or chopped fruit with
>(optionally) pectin and/or lemon juice until it starts to set.
As one puts the culinary arts above conlanging as a hobby, I concur
entirely with Irina's description.

If you don't want to go to the trouble of making your own jelly (muslin
bags seems more difficult to get hold of nowadays), one can buy jars of
mint jelly (to put on lamb), cranberry jelly (to put on turkey) and bramble
jelly (made from blackberries, to put on bread & butter) etc.

At 5:17 pm -0800 12/3/00, Barry Garcia wrote:
.......
>
>My take on the jelly vs jam controversy is jellies are clear without bits
>of fruit while jams had bits of fruit in them (except marmalade which has
>orange rind)
....Seville oranges are the best - I made some a couple of weeks back.  But
it needn't be oranges - any citrus fruit may be used; pineapples, lemons &
limes are commonly used & the fruits are often mixed.

Ray.

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