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Re: OT: LWII: The Euroclones Strike Back!

From:Costentin Cornomorus <elemtilas@...>
Date:Wednesday, June 18, 2003, 23:44
--- Jan van Steenbergen <ijzeren_jan@...>
wrote:
> --- La Padriko Bruno a kive:
Ick! Ick! VOS! It burns - it burns!!!!
> > Other favourites of mine are: [...] > > Quite a fascinating list! I will try to find > the stuff as soon as I'll have some time to > spare.
All but the last one, of course!, as it's not a published book, apart from a couple copies.
> > The above are verifiably ancient texts. The > Jesus > > Sutras are totally cool and totally > unexpected! - > > if you can only get one of these books soon, > get > > that one!!! > > Never heard of them. What are they about?
They're a translation and study of the scriptures written and translated by the early Church in western China. Apparently, China was quite accepting of the Illuminating Religion of the Great Western Empire, even receiveing imperial favour. Quite a few relics have been found as well. The steles were long known; but a trove of manuscripts, some religious art, and apparently an oriental styled icon of Jesus are also extant. There also seems to be some folk traditions that are based on Christian practice, but the book doesn't really dwell on that so much. =========== *********** ===========
> > The whole point, which you > > Venedinistes and Volvonians have failed > miserably > > to grasp, is that an IAL must make perfect > sense > > to _everyone_ in the world. That language can > > only be Neokernopanto Nova. > > Neowhat? Never heard of it.
What a surprise! The R.T.C. is probably the most backward country in Europe! The whole world is turning to N-o Nova as the IAL of choice, and you've "never heard of it"?
> Probably > Kernantoclone no. 557. How many speakers?
A large speakership that is rapidly increasing everyday.
> > This is _not_ an arguable point! > > People who fear arguments shouldn't generally > be trusted!
On account of it being a fact. It is not us who "fear arguments", but we do wish to spare you the ignominy of losing the arguments you make!
> > That is total horse hockey! Your own RTC > > compatriot, Dro. Lingvo, has totally debunked > the > > "science" and "history" claimed by you > > Venedinistes to support your watered down > > attempts at a true IAL! > > Ah, don't speak to me about Dro. Lingvo. In a > grey and distant past, we used to > work together on Venedikanto Omniversala > Supernova.
Yes, "Projekt VOS"; we're all familiar with it.
> Until I discovered what his > true motives were: to obstruct the irreversible > development of the One and Only > Language.
Typical Venediniste tactic: attack the man when he sees sense and you don't!
> Worse of all, he was a Kemrese > infiltrant, and he spent his bribes on > expensive cars and hotels.
So? Would you have him spend his money on _cheap_ cars and hotels?
> He also visited prostitutes.
And? They were all licensed.
> Not a compatriot at all! > And BTW: Dro. Lingvo is not a real doctor at > all. In fact, he didn't even > finish primary school!
Yet has proven more intelligent and educated than the average Venediniste!!
> > That, of course, is so patently false no > > counter argument is even required. > > Almost. You actually mean to say: no > counterargument is ever available, right?
Hardly!
> Because it is an undeniable truth. Ha, one more > victory on the account of > Venedino and its legitimate successor, > Venedikanto Omniversala Supernova!
Watch how their project splinters apart and blows away like the house of cards that it surely is!
> And "plagiarism"? This accusation is so > completely and utterly false, that I > won't lower myself into defending myself > against that!
Cos you know you have no defense! Every iota of Venedino and its related "languages" have been in one way or another copied directly from some other IAL, usually ours! Just admit it - you find our solution so compelling and perfect that you just can't come up with anything more original than a copy of our work! You might as well come join the Real Thing!
> > TO the contrary, the creator(s) of Venedino > > _are_ > > responsible for copying from _our_ > > Fundamento! > > _Your_ Fundamento? Never heard of it! Which > proves that I can't have copied it.
Total BS. It's a word-for-word "translation"!
> > Bah! I don't know why I waste my time with > you!!! > > Nor do I know why I waste my time with you! > People who don't want to listen to > reason could better be neglected!
Exactly!
> > _SOME_ people just aren't ready to step into > the > > new century - the century that will be > speaking > > Neokernopanto Nova!! > > Bof! Nothing but cheap propaganda, without a > single real argument! Do you > really think people are going to swallow that > nonsense?
Absolutely! Though, it's hardly nonsense!
> The only language that qualifies to be the > language of the new century is of > course Venedicanto Omniversala Supernova! It is > universal, because any speaker > of no matter what language can immediately > understand it, without any special > preparation.
Patently false. If that were true, VOS International wouldn't offer its free postal course "VOS In 10 EASY LESSONS! (The other 100 are Mindnumbingly Difficult!)"
> Which can definitely not be said > of your Neokernopanto Nova,
A lie, pure and simple! Our grammatical system is so easy, our lexicon so international that we don't even _bother_ to publish a grammar anymore. People just pick it up that easily!
> which > requires at least ten years of intensive study > before a person can produce even > a simple sentence.
That would be your VOS, right?
> > All intelligent people are working > > towards a > > newly unified Earth, encompassing all nations > > and > > peoples - and the One True IAL to Bind Them. > > Exactly! And this One True IAL is Venedikanto > Omniversala Supernova! Frauds who > claim differently shouldn't be trusted!
THen we can not trust you, that's for sure!
> Nah, don't be tough on Venedino. It had some > nice features, and could surely > have served some minor purpose in the Stone > Age. But for the rest, it sucks.
Exactly! TOtal suckdom!
> Just look: no articles, can you believe that?!
Yeah. What!? Articles? Who needs articles! Simplify, man, simplify! N-o Nova has _no_ articles whatsoever! This is one of the most attractive features for many thousands of speakers the world over!
> Venedikanto Omniversala Supernova is completely > different (to illustrate this, > note that our word for "Lithuanian" is homonym > to "nice doggy"!)
Typical of your average Eastern European IAL: overloaded with ethnonyms. Our streamlined system has boiled the whole thing down to US v. THEM. Neat as you please!
> If you confuse the objective statement of a > fact with an insult, then I'd say > you take a serious look at your language!
Perfection on earth!
> > > Pure propaganda! > > > > It's the truth, and you know it! If it's your > > claim that our Manifesto is propaganda, then > > prove it! You know you can not - for any > sensible > > person that reads our Manifesto will > instantly > > see the Truth of it and will also know the > > falsity of your own inferior ramblings! > > Oh, I admit that there are some good parts is > your Manifesto.
That is to say, "cover to cover".
> Unfortunately, > exactly the same parts that were copied > literally from the Fundamento of > Venedikanto Omniversala Supernova. The rest, > needless to say, isn't worth the > paper it is printed on. > And of course your Manifesto is propaganda - > what else could it be?
It's the supreme auxlang Truth, and you know it! How could it be anything else! Even the Esperantists are flocking to our banner! I-a is practically dead, and their speakers are now learning N-o Nova!
> > Yet you're willing to sucker in all sorts of > poor > > stooges that would be better served by > > Neokernopanto Nova, the One and Only IAL that > > Everyone Needs! > > ... that Everyone Needs To Neglect Or Else To > Forget About!
VOS, yes of course!
> > > > Typical propaganda! > > > > > > Ah, you see, people? When they run out of > > > arguments, they always do that! > > > > What? Expose the fallacy of your so called > > argument? Only a total nutball could possibly > > read that and think it were true! > > Again, I spot a painful lack of real arguments > here.
Ah, so you've reread your own postings!
> > What world are you living on, anyway? > > Not a Neokernopantonovaless world, > unfortunately... yet! I wonder if we > shouldn't simply nuke that insignificant little > island of yours away from its face.
Oh ho! Now it comes out! You're just one o them anti-Kemrese, Brtion-hating, wish you could have scored more than "0" against us in the footy game last week Whiny Wheneds! You think all your problems can be solved by bombing Britain.
> Now this is were you really lose the last > remnants of touch with reality. Even > a single Vened learning Neokernopanto? > Hahahaha. The mere idea makes me laugh!
Then you will be laughing alone!
> Even the very name of the language would be > inpronounceable. > But don't worry, here is the solution for you: > in Dancyk, I will make an > appointment for you with Dr. Mazurzyk, the > eminent psychiatrist who is > specialised in treating linguistically deluded > patients. I'm sure he will be > able to find a cure, even for you!
No cure needed, except for your own delusions of grandeur! I suggest _you_ get an appointment with your quack!
> > > For once we agree! Volvolinkvo is not only > > > irrelevant, it is nothing. Zilch! > > > > Just like its Venedino predecessor! > > Yes, yes. They are nothing in comparison to > Venedianto Omniversala Supernova.
Oh, I say they're totally comparable! None of them are as demonstrably easy to pronounce, read, write or learn very quickly as N-o Nova!
> Venedino hasn't exactly collapsed, I'd rather > say it floated away because of > its lack of weight.
I'd say it imploded and sank in a mess of stink that yet taints your ridiculous VOSisme!
> Logically, promoting Neokernopanto Nova is > equal to necrophilia, and should therefore be > forbidden by law.
Now that is beyond the pale! Typical little Tin Hessler: you can't come out and fight fair and square, so you resort to unethical tactics!
> Ah, now I understand. So you admit that the > whole (Inter)kernopanto(lingua) > movement never had any members! Well, well!
Yet another twisting of the truth! Will your base accusations have no end?
> > You are so deluded! Any intelligent person > can > > see the Truth! > > Indeed, and that intelligent person happens to > be me.
Then you _must_ abandon VOS in favour of N-o Nova, if you really are intelligent!
> > What _have_ we unleashed!? And it appears to > > be a product of IB. > > Well, we discovered at least one fact: the > R.T.C.'s main export product - apart > from teddy-bears, chocolate, and small family > zeppelins that have the > unpleasant habit of exploding in mid-air - is > IALs!
Saints preserve us all!
> > Well, at least, no one else has > > had the insensibility to set an auxlang > against > > the One and Only! (Apart from you, anyway!) > ;))) > > Indeed, apart from you! Jovianto and Narbonido > are much too silent... I > wouldn't trust them.
Nah. Worthless pack of gibberish. Not much better than your own VOS, for that matter!
> > Yoiks! Run for your lives!! > > Hehe. If we had fought our little flamewar on > Auxlang instead of here, we'd > probably be dead by now.
I'm not sure we could pull it off, really. I think Zhang is right: there must be something slightly pathological about the lot of them! Well, at least we can both agree two points: one, we can safely agree that "there is One True IAL for the Entire World" and two, "we can each say with total honesty 'and it is mine' "! Padraic. ===== Et ters davigaint deck y yaithes 'n el drichlend le Roy Markon; y cestes d' ils yspoil morès y ddew chaumèz e-z-el tons l' organón. .

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