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Re: CHAT: R: Re: CHAT: silly names

From:Mangiat <mangiat@...>
Date:Thursday, March 22, 2001, 17:31
Henrik wrote:

> > AFAIK, Switzerland has been the first nation to abolish the 'es zet'
> > They are simply ignorant. :-) In Switzerland they never used ß.
Hey, I'm, curious: can you understand people speaking Schwitzerdütsch? I live on the Italian-Swiss border, and, even if in Southern Switzerland people speak Italian, I can see SF (Schweizer Fernsehen) programmes, besides TSI (Televisione della Svizzera Italiana) ones. They *never* speak German. Only the Tagesschau has a couple of civil guys who actually can utter German (and those are the only ones I can roughly understand). My German utteral is surely not the best one can have, but my impression is that common Swiss men can correctly pronounce a sentence only if they see it written down. What do you think? Schwitzerdütsch sounds really strange: they generally realize /k/ and /g/ both as /q/; there is no distinction between the 'ich' and the 'ach' sounds, which are both reandered very deeply - meseems they are something close to pharyngeals, and they often get syllabic. For istance, they do not pronounce 'ich' /iç/, but /i.H=/. Thus 'ich komme' is not /iç kOm:e/, but /i.H= qOm@/. I wonder: are there other natlangish examples where /k/ gives /q/?
> > On the other hand, I seem to recall there was a German Land which didn't > > accept it (Niedersachsen?)... but I may be wrong... > > `It' here is something different, namely the spelling reformation.
> The reformation was rejected by the people of Schleswig-Holstein, but > was then still introduced for conformance with the federation.
Oh, yeah... my teacher comes from Schleswig Holstein and is very proud about that : )
> In short: in theory, all German-language countries now write according > to the new spelling rules, but: > > a) Switzerland, I'm sure, still ignores the existence of ß, and > thus writes differently, > > b) Many people don't like the new spelling (usually because of the > inconsistencies. Inconsistencies and irregularities have been > claimed to be removed, but old ones are still there and > new ones were created).
: ) Luca


Eric Christopherson <rakko@...>Schleswig-Holstein (was Re: CHAT: silly names)